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Devin Thomas and ACC Officals

Deac@Heart said:
Devin was out of position on the play and clearly fouled. His reaction seemed to me at the time to be frustration with his poor play, not the call (His quote in the WSJ confirmed this). I thought the technical was complete crap and easily could have been let go. The call was made all the worse by its essentially changing the course of the game--2 free points for Duke, 2 quick fouls on DT.

Can Manning request that Ayers not work any more of Wake's games this year?
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Answer to that question is NO! Devin set his own standard when he was a freshman. One thing players need to understand is to never ever get into a contest with showing up an official. Simple as that. A player is never ever going to win that, no matter who the player is. But given what Devin has done over his career & he gets into a stare down competition with a top notch official who is not afraid of sticking a T on a player, end of story. Now that it also counts as a personal foul and one of your 5 total fouls towards disqualification, it really hurts and players have to learn to control their emotions from the junior high level on up. He has not. And in big games it costs us because he sits on the bench like last night for key stretches of the game.
 
TheReff said:
Answer to that question is NO! Devin set his own standard when he was a freshman. One thing players need to understand is to never ever get into a contest with showing up an official. Simple as that. A player is never ever going to win that, no matter who the player is. But given what Devin has done over his career & he gets into a stare down competition with a top notch official who is not afraid of sticking a T on a player, end of story. Now that it also counts as a personal foul and one of your 5 total fouls towards disqualification, it really hurts and players have to learn to control their emotions from the junior high level on up. He has not. And in big games it costs us because he sits on the bench like last night for key stretches of the game.
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Why are at least the same standards not applied to coaches and - as numbers has pointed out - to the officials themselves?
 
The problem is that Devin has clearly learned nothing after all of those Ts, which will just lead to more problems.
 
TheReff said:
Answer to that question is NO! Devin set his own standard when he was a freshman. One thing players need to understand is to never ever get into a contest with showing up an official. Simple as that. A player is never ever going to win that, no matter who the player is. But given what Devin has done over his career & he gets into a stare down competition with a top notch official who is not afraid of sticking a T on a player, end of story. Now that it also counts as a personal foul and one of your 5 total fouls towards disqualification, it really hurts and players have to learn to control their emotions from the junior high level on up. He has not. And in big games it costs us because he sits on the bench like last night for key stretches of the game.
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You would think a top notch official would know better than to get into a staring contest with a 21 year old.

Question: Are coaches allowed to curse at refs? Are coaches allowed to yell in refs faces with no repercussions?
 
TheReff said:
One thing players need to understand is to never ever get into a contest with showing up an official. Simple as that. A player is never ever going to win that, no matter who the player is.
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But this doesn't apply to coaches? Or just Coach K? Coach K consistently gets into contests with showing up an official and hardly ever gets T'd up. It's absurd and you know it too.
 
How is it that not one, but two dookies on a short bench dook team play essentially the entire 2nd half both with 4 fouls and without fouling out???:confused:

Hmmmm.......
 
I thought Wake should have done a better job trying to drive at Allen when he came back into the game. Whoever he was on should have been calling for the ball and getting down the lane.
 
TheReff said:
Answer to that question is NO! Devin set his own standard when he was a freshman. One thing players need to understand is to never ever get into a contest with showing up an official. Simple as that. A player is never ever going to win that, no matter who the player is. But given what Devin has done over his career & he gets into a stare down competition with a top notch official who is not afraid of sticking a T on a player, end of story. Now that it also counts as a personal foul and one of your 5 total fouls towards disqualification, it really hurts and players have to learn to control their emotions from the junior high level on up. He has not. And in big games it costs us because he sits on the bench like last night for key stretches of the game.
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I thought officials were supposed to call what they see on the floor, not base calls on reputation. What Devin did as a Freshman should have no bearing on what happens on the court three seasons later.
 
DT deserved a T. Staring down an official is bush league. Let's hope he learns from this. Thankfully, he's keeping his cool so much better this year.
Coach K deserved one too but let's not act like him not getting one affected the outcome of the game.
 
Doggus said:
DT deserved a T. Staring down an official is bush league. Let's hope he learns from this. Thankfully, he's keeping his cool so much better this year.
Coach K deserved one too but let's not act like him not getting one affected the outcome of the game.
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Bullshit. You're telling me a kid should get a technical for staring? Staring? Not yelling, cussing, slamming the ball down, etc.? Good lord! If players, or especially coaches, are going to get a technical for staring then there are going to be a hell of a lot of technicals called.
 
scooter84 said:
Bullshit. You're telling me a kid should get a technical for staring? Staring? Not yelling, cussing, slamming the ball down, etc.? Good lord! If players, or especially coaches, are going to get a technical for staring then there are going to be a hell of a lot of technicals called.
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I agree and it didn't even look to me like he was glaring at the guy, just sort of looking and thinking to himself. DT has been pretty calm all year and I didn't see him getting out of hand last night. Ayers the "top notch official" was looking to start something. BS call and it changed the game....as usual vs Duke.

And watching K go absolutely berzerk...in the face of a ref. Wow. I've never seen him get that out of hand. He was really worried about losing the game.
 
pourdeac said:
And watching K go absolutely berzerk...in the face of a ref. Wow. I've never seen him get that out of hand. He was really worried about losing the game.
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He literally does that every single basketball game.
 
Ok so players are supposed to divert their eyes and never look directly at the officials.

Seriously, if DT had said something, visibly shown up the official or jumped and stomped around and got a T then it's on him.

Staring at an official is a T. ESPN had to be perplexed by the T since they obviously couldn't footage of what might have caused the T.

What is the rule DT violated?

Head of ACC officials to Ayers 'What was that technical for?' Ayers 'He was staring at me'.

Next thing you know officials will be giving out T's for smiling at them.
 
I really want to hear what TheReff has to say about the actions of Coach K last night towards the officials, and especially Roger Ayers.
 
TownieDeac said:
He literally does that every single basketball game.
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I see him cuss and bitch at the refs. I've never seen him bend over and flail around like he did last night. If he does that every game, he should be kicked out of coaching IMO. That was ridiculous.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
I really want to hear what TheReff has to say about the actions of Coach K last night towards the officials, and especially Roger Ayers.
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Following his logic re: Devin's rep, I think the converse is true too. K has won championships and is probably the best college basketball coach of all time. So his leash is approaching infinity in length.
 
Yeah, awfully quiet on the response to K's vituperative histrionics. Seems more than one double standard at work here.

There are always plenty of places to find missed points/opportunities in any game, but that series of events irreparably changed the tenor of the contest.
 
RacerDeac said:
Devin really needs to keep his mouth shut, both in the game and in the post-game presser. Calling out the refs in the press, right or wrong, will only make things worse for him. Filling up opponents bulletin boards with "it's obvious we're a Top 15 team" bullshit doesn't help us win games either.
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To be fair, he apparently kept his mouth shut during the game and it didn't help. I do agree that saying the ref had a big ego will only make it worse for him this year, because ACC refs are petty.
 
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