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PhDeac said:
Were you saying that humans need religion and philosophy in order to be empathetic toward each other and overcome our base selfish desires?
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empathetic to the Other humanity we will never interact with or understand, yes.
 
sailordeac said:
Wrong again. I've never defended the current easy availability of guns in the US. Indeed, quite the opposite. Try keeping up, or stick to sports.

Keep calm there, serious discussant.

You have to clearly recognize the problem before you can do anything about it. Continuing to obfuscate about it will only make matters worse.
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I have stated in this thread that there are several problems:

Radical Islamic Terrorism
Guns
Mental Health
Overall happiness in the United States of America

I don't see any obfuscation there.
 
Deacs89 said:
my point is. There are mass murders and certainly in that context looking at gun control can be an important issue. However, the broader context here is a ideology that is mob ilizing thousands abroad and hundreds at home to commit murder in the name of it. we have doctors that can help identify mentally ill people but how can we fight this jihad being waged against us. WE can look at gun control but boston marathon was a bomb and 9/11 was a plane etc. This is why people on the right get irritated with the left.
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Do you understand that most mass murders carried out in the United States are not by Radical Islamic Terrorists?

Of course there is a problem in the Middle East right now with ISIS. It is becoming increasingly problematic by the day and something needs to be done about it. The current administration has struggled at times to figure out how to do so. ISIS didn't occur in a nutshell though, and it certainly wasn't "made" due to Obama and the views of Americans.

Also, I'm going to wait to hear how "radicalized" Omar was in his ties with ISIS.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Hatred of homosexuals
Steadfast adherence to a extreme religious viewpoint (possibly?)
The cause behind his domestic violence

He had a lot going on mentally that would cause many psychologists and psychiatrists to consider him deranged.
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Those things constitute mental illness? Holy shit. I love the liberal reconciliation that people with opposing viewpoints that they don't tolerate are obviously bigots/racists, but when they won't tolerate someone else's viewpoint then clearly those with that viewpoint are mentally ill. That's some A-grade hypocrisy right there.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Those things constitute mental illness? Holy shit. I love the liberal reconciliation that people with opposing viewpoints that they don't tolerate are obviously bigots/racists, but when they won't tolerate someone else's viewpoint then clearly those with that viewpoint are mentally ill. That's some A-grade hypocrisy right there.
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Of course I think somebody who was that fraught over seeing two men kiss that it caused him to shoot up a gay nightclub with 300 people in it is mentally ill.

Of course I think somebody who adheres to a religion that commands you to kill people that differ than you is mentally ill.

Of course I think a man that beats his wife is mentally ill.

You disagree with that?
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
I'd like to reiterate how fucking stupid it is that 2&2 thinks it would be as difficult to ban recreational gun ownership as religion. Thst's Olympic gold level mental gymnastics right there.

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Why? I'm not saying wipe it out, I'm just saying you can't do it here. Aren't you the one who said that if someone doesn't like a law then they can just move? (I think it was you, but I apologize if I confused you with RChildress or MysteryMen). If America sucks so much, as Doofus has been pointing out, then they shouldn't have a problem going back to their sandtrap, or anywhere else in the world, if Islam is so important to them. Let's get rid of all guns and all Islam at once, deal?
 
Deacs89 said:
WE can look at gun control but boston marathon was a bomb and 9/11 was a plane etc. This is why people on the right get irritated with the left.
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If you wanted to look at gun control you would look at it. We've fought 2 ground wars, killed 100's of thousands and spent billions of dollars to fight "radical Islam". What has the right done about gun control? Jack shit. They've fought it tooth and nail. Before you all feed us more bullshit about stopping ISIS, why don't you finish the job with Al Qaeda or the Taliban.

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Deacsfan27 said:
Do you understand that most mass murders carried out in the United States are not by Radical Islamic Terrorists?

Of course there is a problem in the Middle East right now with ISIS. It is becoming increasingly problematic by the day and something needs to be done about it. The current administration has struggled at times to figure out how to do so. ISIS didn't occur in a nutshell though, and it certainly wasn't "made" due to Obama and the views of Americans.

Also, I'm going to wait to hear how "radicalized" Omar was in his ties with ISIS.
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I honestly don't think he understands that.

I'm trying to figure out how the anti-PC crowd is going to mobilize their thought police to take out all the people with a radical interpretation of their faith.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Of course I think somebody who was that fraught over seeing two men kiss that it caused him to shoot up a gay nightclub with 300 people in it is mentally ill.

Of course I think somebody who adheres to a religion that commands you to kill people that differ than you is mentally ill.

Of course I think a man that beats his wife is mentally ill.

You disagree with that?
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Certainly. I think he has a difference of opinion than you or I do, but that doesn't mean that there is some sort of imbalance or similar going on in his brain that is biologically erroneous. How is your position any different than proposing that the two dudes kissing have some sort of imbalance in their brains that is biologically erroneous?
 
sailordeac said:
Wrong again. I've never defended the current easy availability of guns in the US. Indeed, quite the opposite. Try keeping up, or stick to sports.

Keep calm there, serious discussant.

You have to clearly recognize the problem before you can do anything about it. Continuing to obfuscate about it will only make matters worse.
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Saying the Administration or anyone else doesn't recognize a problem because they don't use a SPECIFIC TERM is totally inane and without any merit.
 
What would be the price that a gun lover would sell back his guns? Sure there's 300 million guns, say we didn't go to the awful Iraq/afghan war we are sitting at 6 trillion. You think a poor gun lover will sell back for $20,000? Would be a hell of a lot safer than what those wars accomplished.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Do you understand that most mass murders carried out in the United States are not by Radical Islamic Terrorists?

Of course there is a problem in the Middle East right now with ISIS. It is becoming increasingly problematic by the day and something needs to be done about it. The current administration has struggled at times to figure out how to do so. ISIS didn't occur in a nutshell though, and it certainly wasn't "made" due to Obama and the views of Americans.

Also, I'm going to wait to hear how "radicalized" Omar was in his ties with ISIS.
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You do realise Obama's foreign policy and his campaign promise to leave Iraq ( before it was advised to) is what caused the vacuum thus squandering all the US military gains there as well as blood and treasure and ultimately ceding it to ISIS ? remember the JV team? This was the very thing everyone was arguing we need to stay there longer. ISIS has been around for 1000's of years in different forms but his narcissism or naivete or complete incompetence motivated him to meet a campaign promise and impose his ideology rather than what at the time was best for the American and Iraqi people for that matter. This is a fact regardless of who's fault it is on how we got there. His obligation as president is the make the best decision in the present for the American people. He failed.
 
If you love air travel so much that you would allow it despite the fact 3,000 people died from it 9/11, I don't know that we can have a meaningful conversation.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Do you understand that most mass murders carried out in the United States are not by Radical Islamic Terrorists?

Of course there is a problem in the Middle East right now with ISIS. It is becoming increasingly problematic by the day and something needs to be done about it. The current administration has struggled at times to figure out how to do so. ISIS didn't occur in a nutshell though, and it certainly wasn't "made" due to Obama and the views of Americans.

Also, I'm going to wait to hear how "radicalized" Omar was in his ties with ISIS.
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I guess that makes radical Islamic terrorism OK? Explain your insights to the families of the victims of 9/11, San Bernadino, or Orlando. Hey, we have a problem here; it may not yet be our biggest problem but let's import some more of it, just for fun (and sssshhh maybe a few votes and bigger profits for billionaires).
 
Deacs89 said:
You do realise Obama's foreign policy and his campaign promise to leave Iraq ( before it was advised to) is what caused the vacuum thus squandering all the US military gains there as well as blood and treasure and ultimately ceding it to ISIS ? remember the JV team? This was the very thing everyone was arguing we need to stay there longer. ISIS has been around for 1000's of years in different forms but his narcissism or naivete or complete incompetence motivated him to meet a campaign promise and impose his ideology rather than what at the time was best for the American and Iraqi people for that matter. This is a fact regardless of who's fault it is on how we got there. His obligation as president is the make the best decision in the present for the American people. He failed.
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The timeframing here is amazing. First of all, George Bush was the one who signed the agreement about withdrawing troops, before he left office. But more importantly, GEORGE BUSH was the one who decided to destroy the Iraqi government, thus creating this "vacuum" in the first place. Yet this is Obama's fault? He didn't create the problem
 
ThinkingWithMyDeac said:
What would be the price that a gun lover would sell back his guns? Sure there's 300 million guns, say we didn't go to the awful Iraq/afghan war we are sitting at 6 trillion. You think a poor gun lover will sell back for $20,000? Would be a hell of a lot safer than what those wars accomplished.
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Oh, shit. I'm going to go buy a few more.
 
MysteryMen said:
The timeframing here is amazing. First of all, George Bush was the one who signed the agreement about withdrawing troops, before he left office. But more importantly, GEORGE BUSH was the one who decided to destroy the Iraqi government, thus creating this "vacuum" in the first place. Yet this is Obama's fault? He didn't create the problem
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I guess you didnt read the post. Thats ok not all liberal talking points fit properly.
 
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