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why are so many people afraid to take a little test that says whether or not you may have a preference for something?

weird
 
ImTheCaptain said:
why are so many people afraid to take a little test that says whether or not you may have a preference for something?

weird
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you don't want to find out your a republican do you? then what would everyone do. Trump would win in a landslide
 
jhmd2000 said:
So...if you burn at the stake and succumb to either smoke inhalation or incineration, then your death is proof that you weren't a racist-by-implicit bias and you're exonerated posthumously.

If you do not burn at the stake, then you are a racist, and should be put to death.

If you admit your biases, you're biased.

If you don't, you're in denial.

Am I doing this right?
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Having implicit biases =/= being racist IMO. Some on the left probably disagree. I think everyone has these biases and it's just a matter of acknowledging they exist and having them in mind when you interact with others.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
why are so many people afraid to take a little test that says whether or not you may have a preference for something?

weird
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Because it's likely to be bullshit. But I'll take it, if it can be done in a few minutes and isn't malware.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Having implicit biases =/= being racist IMO. Some on the left probably disagree. I think everyone has these biases and it's just a matter of acknowledging they exist and having them in mind when you interact with others.
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You'll find no quarrel here. We've all got a evolutionarily cultivated instinct to herd with those we perceive to be like for security. Denying that is silly.

The degree to which that instinct (subconscious) or active discrimination (conscious) determines outcomes is the debate.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Having implicit biases =/= being racist IMO. Some on the left probably disagree. I think everyone has these biases and it's just a matter of acknowledging they exist and having them in mind when you interact with others.
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Why? If it isn't even big enough to be conscious, what is wrong with having your life experiences impact your interactions? I thought we were supposed to embrace diversity.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Why? If it isn't even big enough to be conscious, what is wrong with having your life experiences impact your interactions? I thought we were supposed to embrace diversity.
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They're being taught only non-white diversity is to be celebrated. White people are to feel shame over their whiteness. Just look at the shit the pc crowd regularly says on here.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Why? If it isn't even big enough to be conscious, what is wrong with having your life experiences impact your interactions? I thought we were supposed to embrace diversity.
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I believe the issue arises when you have negative life experiences interacting with someone or something in the past and then allow that to color your choices in future interactions with someone or something in the same group, even if they're completely exclusive from one another.
 
Where I believe that Numbers and I do part ways is not on the existence of those biases, but in what I believe is the false comfort we take in resigning people's outcomes to them. I wish it were that simple.

I don't mean to speak for BKF, but what I hear him saying lately is what I have long-felt, which is there comes a point in time when you are not helping with the "Yeah, but implicit biases/systemic racism/privilege" perma-rejoinder.

I don't expect the fragile OGB left (no, not all of you, and I suspect you know who you are (in each camp)) to be able to see this comparison, but it's a little like the "Yeah, but the Crusades..." when it comes to Islamic violence. Yeah, we get it. The Crusades were bad, and they're going to stay bad. They're not likely to get better with age, but here's the thing: blowing up a bus full of Jewish teenagers is also bad. Can we ever talk about that, or are we back to laps #711-1492 on the Crusades?"

Same story with biases/systemic racism/privilege. We get it, it's just not a plan, and it's not most* of the problem today and pragmatically, it's none of the solution.

* Please, please, please read this word. Please.
 
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The test I'm assuming is using wrong answers to predict bias, also possibly speed in which answers are given. However multiple flaws exist in that first the test is bias to which two pairings are associated first between left and right, to correct for this the test would need to be run at least twice in which those associations are forgotten then reversed for to account for the test creating its own association bias. Additionally the test doesn't account for the ability of right and left motor skills where it states you should use two different hands, then fails to switch one set of variables to the other side of the test. Do better Harvard.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Where I believe that JHMD and I do part ways is not on the existence of two-parent households, but in what I believe is the false comfort we take in resigning people's outcomes to them. I wish it were that simple.

I don't mean to speak for others, but what I hear many people saying lately is what I have long-felt, which is there comes a point in time when you are not helping with the "Yeah, but two-parent households" perma-rejoinder.

I don't expect the fragile OGB right (no, not all of you, and I suspect you know who you are (in each camp)) to be able to see this comparison, but it's a little like the "Yeah, but murders are going to happen anyway..." when it comes to gun violence. Yeah, we get it. Murders are bad, and they're going to stay bad. They're not likely to get better with age, but here's the thing: shooting up a school is also bad. Can we ever talk about that, or are we back to the start on the violence and murder in general?

Same story with two-parent households We get it, it's just not a policy plan, and it's not most* of the problem today and pragmatically, it's only some of the solution.

* Please, please, please read this word. Please.
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Seems like these, while not perfect analogies, closely mirror one another on disagreements the right and left have on here.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
I believe the issue arises when you have negative life experiences interacting with someone or something in the past and then allow that to color your choices in future interactions with someone or something in the same group, even if they're completely exclusive from one another.
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Again, what is wrong with that? That is life experience. If I burn my hand on an electric range, is it wrong that I am hesitant to touch a propane grill?
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Seems like these, while not perfect analogies, closely mirror one another on disagreements the right and left have on here.
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At the risk of agreeing with me, the analogies are imperfect in that a given person has significantly more control over their reproductive choices than they do over the implicit biases of strangers. Again, this is only to say that I am right and you are wrong. Moving on?
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Again, what is wrong with that? That is life experience. If I burn my hand on an electric range, is it wrong that I am hesitant to touch a propane grill?
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I think the point is that we have developed implicit biases based not just on our personal experiences -- like your propane grill, for instance, which is logical and understandable -- but based on the institutional and structural circumstances of American life. That is why our biases are most often invisible and unacknowledged.
 
How many people hate Muslims because of a bad personal experience with a Muslim?
 
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