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Obama is leaving a Democratic Party in shambles

bobknightfan said:
Speaking of this, did the board liberals even read the actual numbers in the OP regarding how much ground the Democratic Party has lost nationwide at every level of government during the eight years that Obama has been president? That was supposed to be the premise for this entire thread before it veered completely off course.
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i'll sum it up in a gif:

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Deacfreak07 said:
You were right, man. There was definitely a silent majority that really wanted Donald Trump. There was a supremacy narrative there, and I don't use that term entirely to connote racism, xenophobia, etc. He sold an American supremacy narrative, and a bunch of people bought it for whatever reasons mattered to them. Whether it was the supremacy of American labor, military, etc. That message resonated.
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The Clintons had blurred the lines between Republican and Democrat. Then Trump comes along and says, "Fuck the TPP! Fuck the globalists!" That message resonated in the rust belt big time. You just need a Dem who can address the concerns of working Americans and be sincere when they do so. No more Clinton-type Dems that are beholden to Wall Street. Don't build Trump into some amazing candidate. You have to consider who he was running against- perhaps the most flawed candidate I've ever seen. She was under FBI investigation! LOL
 
Recent economic indicators may be up, but those indicators don’t reflect the insecurity most Americans continue to feel, nor the seeming arbitrariness and unfairness they experience. Nor do the major indicators show the linkages many Americans see between wealth and power, stagnant or declining real wages, soaring CEO pay and the undermining of democracy by big money.

Median family income is lower now than it was 16 years ago, adjusted for inflation. Workers without college degrees—the old working class—have fallen furthest. Most economic gains, meanwhile, have gone to top. These gains have translated into political power to elicit bank bailouts, corporate subsidies, special tax loopholes, favorable trade deals and increasing market power without interference by anti-monopoly enforcement—all of which have further reduced wages and pulled up profits.

Wealth, power and crony capitalism fit together. Americans know a takeover has occurred, and they blame the establishment for it.

The Democratic Party once represented the working class. But over the last three decades, the party has been taken over by Washington-based fundraisers, bundlers, analysts and pollsters who have focused instead on raising campaign money from corporate and Wall Street executives and getting votes from upper-middle-class households in “swing” suburbs.

Democrats have occupied the White House for 16 of the last 24 years, and for four of those years had control of both houses of Congress. But in that time they failed to reverse the decline in working-class wages and economic security. Both Bill Clinton and Obama ardently pushed for free trade agreements without providing millions of blue-collar workers who thereby lost their jobs means of getting new ones that paid at least as well.

They stood by as corporations hammered trade unions, the backbone of the white working class—failing to reform labor laws to impose meaningful penalties on companies that violate them, or help workers form unions with simple up-or-down votes. Partly as a result, union membership sank from 22 percent of all workers when Bill Clinton was elected president to less than 12 percent today, and the working class lost bargaining leverage to get a share of the economy’s gains.

Bill Clinton and Obama also allowed antitrust enforcement to ossify—with the result that large corporations have grown far larger, and major industries more concentrated. The unsurprising result of this combination—more trade, declining unionization and more industry concentration—has been to shift political and economic power to big corporations and the wealthy, and to shaft the working class. This created an opening for Trump’s authoritarian demagoguery, and his presidency.

Now Americans have rebelled by supporting someone who wants to fortify America against foreigners as well as foreign-made goods. The power structure understandably fears that Trump’s isolationism will stymie economic growth. But most Americans couldn’t care less about growth because for years they have received few of its benefits, while suffering most of its burdens in the forms of lost jobs and lower wages.

The power structure is shocked by the outcome of the 2016 election because it has cut itself off from the lives of most Americans. Perhaps it also doesn’t wish to understand, because that would mean acknowledging its role in enabling the presidency of Donald Trump.
http://www.newsweek.com/robert-reich-democratic-party-needs-clean-house-519704
 
This Trump presidency is going to be great for trade unions.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
I think Democrats are capable of reaching out to and inspiring blue collar white voters with a more populist economic agenda, without compromising the current social-justice agenda. I don't believe that we are too liberal, and I don't believe blue collar whites are racist, I just believe that many white people are single issue voters who vote for the economic rhetoric that inspires them most.
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LOL. That's a good one. You can go back and read hundreds of posts on these boards and see how you & your fellow board liberals have reached out to blue collar white voters. It is obvious that board liberals have nothing but contempt for rural blue collar white voters. They feel that rural blue collar white voters are uneducated, uncouth & beneath them in every way. They live in places like "bumfuck Randleman" as I believe it was described. Yeah, WF liberals really know how to reach out to rural voters.
 
I actually believe the pollsters and press knew the truth and lied to try to swing it to Hillary.

The biggest story this cycle isn't trump; it's the rotten corruption of the "free press"
 
bobknightfan said:
LOL. That's a good one. You can go back and read hundreds of posts on these boards and see how you & your fellow board liberals have reached out to blue collar white voters. It is obvious that board liberals have nothing but contempt for rural blue collar white voters. They feel that rural blue collar white voters are uneducated, uncouth & beneath them in every way. They live in places like "bumfuck Randleman" as I believe it was described. Yeah, WF liberals really know how to reach out to rural voters.
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Believe it or not, not all blue collar white people live in bumfuck towns like Randleman. I don't really have any faith in Democrats reaching the rural Confederacy.

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myDeaconmyhand said:
Believe it or not, not all blue collar white people live in bumfuck towns like Randleman. I don't really have any faith in Democrats reaching the rural Confederacy.

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North Carolina is a ground-zero battleground state with lots of rural white working class voters....and you are writing off this state as hopeless as far as reaching those white working class voters that you desperately need? Do you think that rural white working class voters in NC are really all that different from rural white working class voters in western Pennsylvania and southern Ohio? (Nice to see you still have that contempt for us, though. The Democrats had better not put people like you in charge of "Operation Outreach".)

Well, here is another read for you regarding your crazy belief that the Democrats can sell a far-left agenda to rural white voters:

https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/645108?unlock=M0ACP9SV2NS1UOT6

No one is point­ing a fin­ger at the most glar­ing vul­ner­ab­il­ity—the party’s cul­tur­al dis­con­nect from much of the coun­try. On is­sues ran­ging from the pres­id­ent’s hes­it­ance to la­bel ter­ror­ism by its name to an un­will­ing­ness to cri­ti­cize ex­trem­ist ele­ments of protest groups like Black Lives Mat­ter to ex­ec­ut­ive or­ders man­dat­ing trans­gender bath­rooms, the ad­min­is­tra­tion of­fen­ded the sens­ib­il­it­ies of the Amer­ic­an pub­lic. Among lib­er­al-minded mil­len­ni­als, Pres­id­ent Obama’s ac­tions were a sign that he was chart­ing “an arc of his­tory that bends to­wards justice.” But to older, more-con­ser­vat­ive Amer­ic­ans, it was a sign that the ad­min­is­tra­tion’s views were well out­side the Amer­ic­an main­stream.

Clin­ton tried to win over mod­er­ates by rais­ing red flags about Trump’s for­eign policy and his ra­cially charged, miso­gyn­ist­ic rhet­or­ic. But she didn’t have a Sis­ter Soul­jah mo­ment to cri­ti­cize the ex­cesses of the Left—as Bill Clin­ton fam­ously did dur­ing the 1992 cam­paign—for fear of ali­en­at­ing the Obama co­ali­tion. In fact, her line that “im­pli­cit [ra­cial] bi­as is a prob­lem for every­one” dur­ing the first de­bate was a mo­ment that couldn’t have been more re­pel­lent to those white Rust Belt voters who deser­ted the Demo­crats this year.

As New York Times colum­nist Ross Douthat pres­ci­ently wrote in Septem­ber: “The new cul­tur­al or­tho­doxy is suf­fi­ciently stifling to leave many Amer­ic­ans look­ing to the vot­ing booth as a way to re­gister dis­sent.” Op­pos­ing polit­ic­al cor­rect­ness was one con­sist­ent theme in Trump’s very muddled cam­paign mes­sage.

Demo­crats will be spend­ing their time in the polit­ic­al wil­der­ness fig­ur­ing out how to re­build a shattered party. But early in­dic­a­tions sug­gest that party lead­ers are veer­ing even fur­ther to the left in­stead of mod­er­at­ing their rhet­or­ic. They’ve con­cluded—with the as­sist­ance of Sanders, Eliza­beth War­ren, and po­lemi­cist Mi­chael Moore—that they would have per­formed bet­ter with work­ing-class white voters if they only ar­tic­u­lated a more pop­u­list eco­nom­ic mes­sage. They’ve shown no in­clin­a­tion to re­ject Clin­ton’s con­tro­ver­sial no­tion that half of Trump’s sup­port­ers were de­plor­able and ir­re­deem­able. [B] (The author of this article is talking about your recent post, MDMH. This is your thinking almost verbatim.)

Their lead­ing choice to head the Demo­crat­ic Na­tion­al Com­mit­tee is Rep. Keith El­lis­on of Min­nesota, one of the most lib­er­al mem­bers in the House. His sup­port­ers cham­pi­on him as a lead­er who can ad­voc­ate a pop­u­list eco­nom­ic ar­gu­ment, while en­er­giz­ing the di­verse base of a party look­ing for fresh lead­er­ship. But as a fresh­man con­gress­man, he com­pared George W. Bush to Hitler and hin­ted that the former pres­id­ent might have been re­spons­ible for 9/11. He’s got a com­pel­ling résumé as the first Muslim elec­ted to Con­gress, but that’s marred by his past ties to anti-Semit­ic Na­tion of Is­lam lead­er Louis Far­rakhan in the mid-1990s (he’s since dis­tanced him­self) and fre­quent op­pos­i­tion to pro-Is­rael le­gis­la­tion in Con­gress (he was one of just four House Demo­crats to vote against Iron Dome le­gis­la­tion pro­tect­ing the Jew­ish state from ter­ror­ist rock­ets). Non­ethe­less, he has been en­dorsed by Sen­ate Minor­ity Lead­er Harry Re­id and his ex­pec­ted suc­cessor, Sen. Chuck Schu­mer.

Schu­mer’s po­s­i­tion­ing will be fas­cin­at­ing to watch in the com­ing months. If he truly be­lieves that the so­cial­ist agenda cham­pioned by Sanders is the party’s best polit­ic­al op­tion, he may be in for a rude awaken­ing in two years.[/B]


The things enlarged in dark red above are the very things that I listed on these boards months ago as the driving reasons behind my vote in this election. Evidently, a lot of other voters were feeling the same way.
 
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Jesus I have never heard conservatives crying like this. You gripe and whine about everything. Teddy Roosevelt would slap all of you, multiple times. Especially BKF. My goodness listen to yourselves. He didn't say terrorism whaaaaa. He didn't condemn the black guy whaaaaa.
 
WakeandBake said:
Jesus I have never heard conservatives crying like this. You gripe and whine about everything. Teddy Roosevelt would slap all of you, multiple times. Especially BKF. My goodness listen to yourselves.
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I'm not 100% sure on the timeline, but I think that bkf was a democrat during the Roosevelt administration.
 
Crying? I've been celebrating for a week now! This was my 13th presidential election as a voter.....and the best one ever.

Figured we better celebrate now, because as soon you guys push the Democratic Party a little further left so it can win back those rural white voters you're going to be right back on top. If the Democrats will listen to Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders & MDMH they can probably take back the senate in two years.

Seriously, though, W&B. All jokes aside. I can understand somebody like MDMH spouting all that nonsense....but you are old enough that you should know better by now.
 
bobknightfan said:
Crying? I've been celebrating for a week now! This was my 13th presidential election as a voter.....and the best one ever.

Figured we better celebrate now, because as soon you guys push the Democratic Party a little further left so it can win back those rural white voters you're going to be right back on top. If the Democrats will listen to Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders & MDMH they can probably take back the senate in two years.

Seriously, though, W&B. All jokes aside. I can understand somebody like MDMH spouting all that nonsense....but you are old enough that you should know better.
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But if Dems win again, you can just be a democrat again!
 
and you wonder why I have no hope in North Carolina. It's you. Your southern generation and everyone you've influenced intend to turn our culture back to 1975. It seems you were satisfied when officers turned off the water hoses. It's more important than ever that cities set their own social justice standards, rather than let the BKFs in the country stifle them.

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myDeaconmyhand said:
and you wonder why I have no hope in North Carolina. It's you. Your southern generation and everyone you've influenced intend to turn our culture back to 1975. It seems you were satisfied when officers turned off the water hoses. It's more important than ever that cities set their own social justice standards, rather than let the BKFs in the country stifle them.
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Turning our culture back to 1975? LOL. You realize making shit up about people and hating them for it is the kind of rhetoric that led to Trump getting elected.....yes? Probably not wise to keep doing it. But I'm curious. Do you do this because you think you're smarter or more evolved than everyone else?
 
pourdeac said:
Turning our culture back to 1975? LOL. You realize making shit up about people and hating them for it is the kind of rhetoric that led to Trump getting elected.....yes? Probably not wise to keep doing it. But I'm curious. Do you do this because you think you're smarter or more evolved than everyone else?
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No. No he most certainly does not realize this.
 
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