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Idiot occupies Oval Office, sources: Democrats' fault

jhmd2000 said:
I don't share his expectation that a minimum wage job (or similar entry-level job) is supposed to be a career. The whole idea of employment is advancement. If you accept the notion that people should start and finish their working careers in a line of work that doesn't support themselves, then his point is valid. I don't share that assumption.
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How does one advance via low wage work in this contemporary society? I know that fascism is en vogue right now but the good old days aren't coming back no matter now much Trump and his cronies want them to) or just lie to the rubes to make them think that such a return is possible). This is just a bad time for economic mobility. It has been for decades now. Palma's sister's story is a lot closer to the norm than your fantasy.
 
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jhmd2000 said:
I don't share his expectation that a minimum wage job (or similar entry-level job) is supposed to be a career. The whole idea of employment is advancement. If you accept the notion that people should start and finish their working careers in a line of work that doesn't support themselves, then his point is valid. I don't share that assumption.
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Brilliance! They should just get better jobs! Why didn't anyone think of that before?
 
jhmd2000 said:
Your sister needs a lawyer.
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Can't milk a turnip. Property settlement ends in a year or two, then its the plama safety net. My mom (73) is retiring in a month, and has ran her own business (real estate appraiser) for the past 20 years, and doesn't spend lavishly on anything. The plama safety net is needed for her to go live with my brother.

But I had a different dad, and he was born really smart so I can not work hard at all and make $150k/yr and take care of everyone. #bootstraps.
 
jhmd2000 said:
I feel like Jesus would give to the poor. I highly doubt he ever said, "Don't worry about it. Caeser's got this."
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This little trick lets you write a new definition of compassion while giving tax breaks to people who live in 10k sq ft homes.
 
jhmd2000 said:
I don't share his expectation that a minimum wage job (or similar entry-level job) is supposed to be a career. The whole idea of employment is advancement. If you accept the notion that people should start and finish their working careers in a line of work that doesn't support themselves, then his point is valid. I don't share that assumption.
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and if you don't have the mental capacity to work more than basic, minimum wage jobs...?
 
BarcaDeac said:
and if you don't have the mental capacity to work more than basic, minimum wage jobs...?
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I did say "able-bodied" in my lifetime limits. If you have a condition that genuinely limits your earning potential, then you don't have the issue I am addressing.

Also, Louis Gossett Jr. got a job. Never give up.
 
who knew there were so many qualifications to compassion?
 
MHBDemon said:
who knew there were so many qualifications to compassion?
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I don't think it's compassionate to give able-bodied people a subsistence lifestyle, nor to place their entire futures in the hands of a government agency.
 
jhmd2000 said:
I don't think it's compassionate to give able-bodied people a subsistence lifestyle, nor to place their entire futures in the hands of a government agency.
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Good thing that doesn't happen in the US then.
 
TownieDeac said:
"Render unto Caesar" isn't popular with you guys
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You can finish the quote if you'd like to get it right. The omitted portion seems instructive.

But let's put aside the Left's passion to incorporate the New Testament's teachings into the structure of our government for a moment. If you actually cared about the people on public assistance (let me take you at your word that you do), help me understand where you think the limits should be. Go.
 
Such a typical Republican argument. Let's not bother trying to help people because it's going to be so hard setting up regulations and limits on those programs.

What a crock
 
jhmd2000 said:
I did say "able-bodied" in my lifetime limits. If you have a condition that genuinely limits your earning potential, then you don't have the issue I am addressing.

Also, Louis Gossett Jr. got a job. Never give up.
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A job that required more education, skill, and contributes much more to society than yours. See anybody can do it.*

(*Disclaimer white private educated male)
 
I think the system we have in place is mostly fine in terms of eligibility. I'd prefer a system that was more cash handout than these disparate programs with different qualifications, different offices, etc. but I have no real issue with who is receiving help and for how long. I'm sure there is some level of abuse, fraud, etc. but I think there is always going to be some amount of that. Much like the "better to let 99 guilty men free than to convict one innocent" or whatever the phrase is, I'm okay knowing there is some abuse in the system if making it more difficult would lead to deserving people possibly being shut out. We've established the non-capped benefits are for children, elderly, and disabled and basically amount to sustenance level feeding. It's my opinion that the benefits people receive disincentivizing people from finding more/better work only happens at the absolute margins, largely from people that are probably never going to be significant producers and providing this assistance may if nothing else keep them out of trouble. I'd love to see some #data to support/refute that but until then I'm going on my #feelings.
 
Good post. I'd rather get rid of the bureaucracy than drop coverage for people who need it.

And if you want to kick working people off welfare, increase the minimum wage.
 
jhmd2000 said:
You can finish the quote if you'd like to get it right. The omitted portion seems instructive.

But let's put aside the Left's passion to incorporate the New Testament's teachings into the structure of our government for a moment. If you actually cared about the people on public assistance (let me take you at your word that you do), help me understand where you think the limits should be. Go.
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that is quite the Rep deflection BS statement. The GOP is trying so damn hard to bring the Bible into regulation, but it is mainly being used as a vail for their bigotry or inability to accept that this is no longer the 1950s. People no longer get married at 20, have kids at 22 and live in the same town their entire life. Progress should not only be coveted in business but also in society.

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before


again, keep your Bible out of politics!!!

“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams
 
PhDeac said:
Good post. I'd rather get rid of the bureaucracy than drop coverage for people who need it.

And if you want to kick working people off welfare, increase the minimum wage.
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Pretty amazing the same crowd that doesn't want to pay burger flippers $10-15 an hour also doesn't want to provide assistance because said burger flipping job isn't making ends meet.
 
It's been fun to see posters who I always perceived to be somewhat conservative/Republican shift over the past year or so to be more critical of the GOP while other right-wing posters just flew right on out to the far right and continue to defend anything.
 
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