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Fla. Sociology professor tweets Texans deserved Harvey for supporting Trump

cville deac said:
It not just conservatives. Our local left wing is furious at our city council and officials for permitting the Klan and other various and sundry white supremacists to march in Cville and for not having already taken down the Lee & Jackson statues. They even have a lawyer and a UVA prof in their mix, but apparently none of their high school history textbooks made it to Skokie IL. Add to that, it's been widely reported locally that federal Judge Conrad issued an injunction against the city for trying to move the 8/12 rally to a different location, and a local circuit judge issued a preliminary injunction against the city to prevent them from moving the Lee statue until he hears the entire case this Winter (and city council has not yet voted to remove the Jackson statue). There are plenty of wingnuts in both parties who wish to live in an insular, post-fact world and want to restrict the other side's speech.
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What group are you referring to?
 
PhDeac said:
Nobody said they couldn't. I'm saying conservatives are shutting down liberal free speech while claiming liberals are shutting down conservative free speech.
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How did his speech get shut down? He can say whatever he wants, it's just not free of consequence. He said something monumentally stupid on a public forum and his employer canned him. That would happen to pretty much every person here.
 
DG3 said:
How did his speech get shut down? He can say whatever he wants, it's just not free of consequence. He said something monumentally stupid on a public forum and his employer canned him. That would happen to pretty much every person here.
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Based on that logic, a conservative speaker who isn't allowed to speak on campus doesn't have his free speech shut down because he can still go on Twitter.
 
PhDeac said:
Nobody said they couldn't. I'm saying conservatives are shutting down liberal free speech while claiming liberals are shutting down conservative free speech.
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How do you propose we cure the drought of left-leaning voices on campus?
 
PhDeac said:
Based on that logic, a conservative speaker who isn't allowed to speak on campus doesn't have his free speech shut down because he can still go on Twitter.
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A private university can do whatever they want. The issue is public universities. The state doesn't get to restrict speech or decide the boundaries of speech. You know this, Ph. An employer in an at will state can fire you for pretty much whatever they want and not give you any reason why. You say stupid shit publicly, you lose your job.
 
DG3 said:
A private university can do whatever they want. The issue is public universities. The state doesn't get to restrict speech or decide the boundaries of speech. You know this, Ph. An employer in an at will state can fire you for pretty much whatever they want and not give you any reason why. You say stupid shit publicly, you lose your job.
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Yes. The right to free speech does not protect an employee from losing his/her job if the employer objects to what the employee says. Most employees are at-will, and they can be fired for any reason or no reason.
 
DG3 said:
A private university can do whatever they want. The issue is public universities. The state doesn't get to restrict speech or decide the boundaries of speech. You know this, Ph. An employer in an at will state can fire you for pretty much whatever they want and not give you any reason why. You say stupid shit publicly, you lose your job.
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I do know this, DG3. That's why I said, "Nobody said they couldn't" when you posted, "Florida employers can hire/fire whoever they want, whenever they want."

You're arguing something I'm not arguing against.

I'm talking about conservatives groups like Campus Reform, not Florida employers.
 
PhDeac said:
I do know this, DG3. That's why I said, "Nobody said they couldn't" when you posted, "Florida employers can hire/fire whoever they want, whenever they want."

You're arguing something I'm not arguing against.

I'm talking about conservatives groups like Campus Reform, not Florida employers.
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Do you teach on 3rd shift, PH? It is now 4 PM and this is your 28th post since 8 AM this morning.
 
BKF journal entry
8/29/17
4:15 PM

Dear Diary,

PH has 28 posts today SO FAR today. Can you believe that?!?!? lol. I can't believe it. He must waste so much time. How does he have all that time? I can't wait to really give him a hard time about this tomorrow, and then more next week.

XOXO,
BKF
 
PhDeac said:
I do know this, DG3. That's why I said, "Nobody said they couldn't" when you posted, "Florida employers can hire/fire whoever they want, whenever they want."

You're arguing something I'm not arguing against.

I'm talking about conservatives groups like Campus Reform, not Florida employers.
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I'm not sure you know have any idea what you're arguing. This guy has every right to say whatever he wants, however he wants, wherever he wants. That doesn't protect him from social consequence. Nor does it anyone who says something silly publicly (even privately these days.) People clamoring for him, or anyone else, to be be fired for saying something stupid aren't shutting down speech. They have no power to do so. It's also well within their rights to say they think he should be fired.

You seem to be defending the guy.
 
DG3 said:
I'm not sure you know have any idea what you're arguing. This guy has every right to say whatever he wants, however he wants, wherever he wants. That doesn't protect him from social consequence. Nor does it anyone who says something silly publicly (even privately these days.) People clamoring for him, or anyone else, to be be fired for saying something stupid aren't shutting down speech. They have no power to do so. It's also well within their rights to say they think he should be fired.

You seem to be defending the guy.
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This is what I'm saying. I'm not sure why you're confused. I've said the same thing in every post on this thread. This was my first post.

PhDeac said:
I'm trying to figure out when conservatives are for free speech and when they aren't.
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DG3 said:
I'm not sure you know have any idea what you're arguing. This guy has every right to say whatever he wants, however he wants, wherever he wants. That doesn't protect him from social consequence. Nor does it anyone who says something silly publicly (even privately these days.) People clamoring for him, or anyone else, to be be fired for saying something stupid aren't shutting down speech. They have no power to do so. It's also well within their rights to say they think he should be fired.

You seem to be defending the guy.
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PhDeac said:
This is what I'm saying. I'm not sure why you're confused. I've said the same thing in every post on this thread. This was my first post.
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Free speech is speech that is free from state sponsored consequence/penalty. Free speech has nothing to do with individual/social consequence. You're the one saying you want the state to change laws and determine what is acceptable and what isn't. Conservatives don't want them to do that. Any questions?
 
DG3 said:
Free speech is speech that is free from state sponsored consequence/penalty. Free speech has nothing to do with individual/social consequence. You're the one saying you want the state to change laws and determine what is acceptable and what isn't. Conservatives don't want them to do that. Any questions?
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Conservatives have passed laws about what can, can't and must be said by people offering abortions.
 
DG3 said:
Free speech is speech that is free from state sponsored consequence/penalty. Free speech has nothing to do with individual/social consequence. You're the one saying you want the state to change laws and determine what is acceptable and what isn't. Conservatives don't want them to do that. Any questions?
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You keep misinterpreting what I'm saying. My stance has been clear. There are conservative groups who whine about their free speech being impacted when colleges don't allow conservative speakers. But those same groups actively campaign to get professors fired.
 
PhDeac said:
You keep misinterpreting what I'm saying. My stance has been clear. There are conservative groups who whine about their free speech being impacted when colleges don't allow conservative speakers. But those same groups actively campaign to get professors fired.
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Yes, they complain when it's a state school (or only have a valid argument if it is.) The state school can't do that. Period. You know this. These same people, as private citizens or groups, can campaign for whatever they want. You're conflating two entirely different things.
 
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