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'17 Specials & '18 Midterms Thread

birdman said:
Roy Moore is an absolute embarrassment.
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tiltdeac said:
Holy shit, this guy is going to be a Senator!? This whole interview is bonkers, but omg:

Roy Moore
There are communities under Sharia law right now in our country. Up in Illinois. Christian communities; I don’t know if they may be Muslim communities.

But Sharia law is a little different from American law. It is founded on religious concepts.

Jeff Stein
Which American communities are under Sharia law? When did they fall under Sharia law?

Roy Moore
Well, there’s Sharia law, as I understand it, in Illinois, Indiana — up there. I don't know.

Jeff Stein
That seems like an amazing claim for a Senate candidate to make.

Roy Moore
Well, let me just put it this way — if they are, they are; if they’re not, they’re not.

That doesn’t matter. Oklahoma tried passing a law restricting Sharia law, and it failed. Do you know about that?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/15/16151182/alabama-senate-roy-moore
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More Roy Moore, who apparently doesn't know what DACA even is.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...race-doesnt-know-what-daca-is/article/2633200
 
Do the Dems really need Hillary Clinton to embark on her nationwide book tour right about now? This can't help bridge the divide in the party, and it won't help aspiring house and senate candidates. Chuck Schumer must be shaking his head at this. Nancy Pelosi's head might also be shaking, but probably more due to age. Moving on and forward is way preferable than wallowing in blame games rehashing the past. But then again, the Clintons' egos know no bounds. Ugh.
 
cville deac said:
Do the Dems really need Hillary Clinton to embark on her nationwide book tour right about now? This can't help bridge the divide in the party, and it won't help aspiring house and senate candidates. Chuck Schumer must be shaking his head at this. Nancy Pelosi's head might also be shaking, but probably more due to age. Moving on and forward is way preferable than wallowing in blame games rehashing the past. But then again, the Clintons' egos know no bounds. Ugh.
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She needs that book tour now if she plans to run again in 2020. Rehabilitate Hillary tour.
 
cville deac said:
Do the Dems really need Hillary Clinton to embark on her nationwide book tour right about now? This can't help bridge the divide in the party, and it won't help aspiring house and senate candidates. Chuck Schumer must be shaking his head at this. Nancy Pelosi's head might also be shaking, but probably more due to age. Moving on and forward is way preferable than wallowing in blame games rehashing the past. But then again, the Clintons' egos know no bounds. Ugh.
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No. It's horrible timing.
 
Just to make it worse, she's stoking the re-litigation of the primary to get attention. As if enough of that wasn't happening organically.
 
knowell said:
She needs that book tour now if she plans to run again in 2020. Rehabilitate Hillary tour.
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1) More millions for the Clintons. Has any couple ever made more money from books & speeches?

2) None of this was supposed to happen. Hillary's election had been 20 years in the planning and in the making. It was a given that it was going to happen.....right up until the minute that it didn't. Nobody likes to blame himself or herself for their own failure. We have been discussing this concept at length on these boards.

ETA: If Hillary had been black she could just blame her failure on racism. That always seems to be a good catch-all excuse when you are black and fuck up and fail. Since she isn't, though, she has to work a little harder to come up with all these other excuses.

There is no problem with losing as long as you have a good excuse. And making excuses for losing is always easier than putting in the effort it takes to win.
 
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It's not good timing. And even if you are likely to agree with her on the reasons why she was not elected (and I am sure I would agree with most of them) who wants to rehash, particularly this soon?

Also, though, fuck the Bernie bros who didn't vote for her, and fuck the Bros who voted for Trump with a cactus.
 
Shooshmoo said:
It's not good timing. And even if you are likely to agree with her on the reasons why she was not elected (and I am sure I would agree with most of them) who wants to rehash, particularly this soon?

Also, though, fuck the Bernie bros who didn't vote for her, and fuck the Bros who voted for Trump with a cactus.
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Both Hillary and Bernie need to fade into the sunset, but of the 2, she's behaving worse at this moment. The Clintons' egos are limitless. If she becomes a distracting sideshow, I hope they deny both Clintons the opportunity to speak at the 2020 convention. And I get that there was a certain amount of Obama/Trump voters out there, who probably voted Bernie in the primary. There are a large number of folks in both parties right now who just want to blow the whole thing up. Given that environment, last year was not the right time for the ultra establishment Hillary, not that any time would necessarily have been. Had Uncle Joe run, I really think all of this would be academic because he would have won by 5+%. But it is what it is, and Hillary needs to go the fuck away.
 
Hilary was a horrible candidate. Always afraid to fail. Like a basketball team that didn't know how to play with a lead.

In the primary when the Democratic Party took every possible step to ensure a blowout win (it was like WF/Presbyterian), she eeked out a win against a socialist that didn't even join the Democratic Party until he announced he was running for the nomination. She is hard to like.

She was destined to find a way to lose. No one else deserves the blame.
 
Pilchard said:
Hilary was a horrible candidate. Always afraid to fail. Like a basketball team that didn't know how to play with a lead.

In the primary when the Democratic Party took every possible step to ensure a blowout win (it was like WF/Presbyterian), she eeked out a win against a socialist that didn't even join the Democratic Party until he announced he was running for the nomination. She is hard to like.

She was destined to find a way to lose. No one else deserves the blame.
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Of course, this is a lesson that should have been learned in 2008. Instead, the DNC took it as a sign of Obama's popularity instead of Hillary's unpopularity and a desire for someone new.

My female Facebook friends who were excited about Hillary in the primary were mostly older white women. Plenty of my women friends my age and younger were either ambivalent or reluctant or all-in for Bernie. We needed more options. I think even Hillary would have been better off winning a bigger primary as a show of stretch. Narrowly beating Bernie was a show of weakness.
 
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PhDeac said:
Of course, this is a lesson that should have been learned in 2008. Instead, the DNC took it as a sign of Obama's popularity instead of Hillary's unpopularity and a desire for someone new.

My female Facebook friends who were excited about Hillary in the primary were mostly older white women. Plenty of my women friends my age and younger were either ambivalent or reluctant or all-in for Bernie. We needed more options. I think even Hillary would have been better off winning a bigger primary as a show of stretch. Narrowly beating Bernie was a show of weakness.
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To be fair, the best Presidential candidate since the 70's randomly showing up after being a Senator for 4 years was impossible to predict in 2008. I don't blame them for not seeing it then.

If Joe Biden's kid doesn't die, this conversation is moot. A great American "what if?"
 
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