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Danny Manning Credibility Watch

donaldross said:
You two are saying the same thing. Where I disagree is I think we can fix it. There are only a couple hundred of us that care enough. There was a post above talks about how Ron has ruined Wake hoops (obvious) but has convinced the wealthy donors he’s right.

I’m here to tell you that is wrong. I know the top donors. They are my clients and friends of course. They hate Ron for this as much as we do. We need to make a concerted effort to topple him. They will join in.
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donaldross said:
You two are saying the same thing. Where I disagree is I think we can fix it. There are only a couple hundred of us that care enough. There was a post above talks about how Ron has ruined Wake hoops (obvious) but has convinced the wealthy donors he’s right.

I’m here to tell you that is wrong. I know the top donors. They are my clients and friends of course. They hate Ron for this as much as we do. We need to make a concerted effort to topple him. They will join in.
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It's crystal-clear to me now.

There are three problems with Wake basketball: the current AD, the current coach, and the current coliseum.

Let's make Donald Ross our AD. Problem 1 is solved, because Wellman is out the door. DR will fire Manning and hire his little buddy from Greensboro: Problem 2 is solved. Then DR will go to all his client/friends/top donors, hit them up for $25 million each, and build us a new 8,200 seat replica of the old Memorial Coliseum: Problem 3 is solved.

Come on, Hatch. Make it happen. Donald Ross for Wake AD. The future is blindingly bright.

Oh, and instead of Joel Coliseum, we can name the building after the AD: The Bullshit Palace.
 
The TOP TOP TOP donors do not hate Wellman. If they did he would be gone.

The reason he still has a job is due to his ability to suck them off with privilege, access, and the Deacon Tower.

You're wrong Ross.
 
donaldross said:
If someone will gather addresses for the current Board of Trustees, let’s pen a letter that can get wide support from a hundred or so of us. That will be a tough pill for them.
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You are acting like Hatch would care. The only way he'd care is if the 100 top donors stopped giving or started an insurrection to get rid of him.
 
There were several members of the BOT who have a particular influence on the athletic department sitting on the wood next to Manning last night.

Absent an NCAA violation or some other Michigan State type of issue arising with the hoop program, WF can lose out, and DM is not going anywhere after this season. Even if Wellman were to retire at the end of the school year (and guessing that he would've announced it by now if that was in the works), the new AD would not be in a position to make a move with the basketball job until the end of next season at the earliest. Also, DM just signed a lengthy extension, and while the buyout language is not public, if it's anything like most Power V coaching contracts, there is a hefty buyout (which may be largest at the front-end of the deal) which WF must decide that it's willing to eat (other than Dino, which is a separate case, in recent history, WF does not fire a hoop or football coach with time left on the deal; WF typically lets the contract run-out - Bz, Grobe). Finally, since Manning will be coaching next year, getting the big donors and Hatch on board to can Manning with several years left on his deal, would require WF to continue awful play through the end of this year (possible), and to show no improvement next year (again, possible, but WF will have some decent talent in the fold next year, and DM did take a team to the NCAAs last year).

In sum, a lot has to happen before replacing Manning is even a possibility, and even then, it's not the WF way. So, people can bitch and moan about DM all they want, but nothing will change for quite awhile.
 
It’s a good sign for the program that people are calling for Manning’s job because of this season. If Manning has taken over under normal circumstances I would probably agree, but he didn’t. He gets credit for restoring normal expectations, and for that alone he deserves another year. He rightly gets blame for the team’s performance this season, though it hasn’t been as bad as most have made it seem.

This team has performed better than any the previous coach put on the floor, and is on par with the teams we had between Chris Paul and Aminu (our two most recent 5 star recruits). Hopefully he can have similar success when our next 5 star recruit steps on campus; I haven’t seen anything to indicate that he won’t. I am concerned that he might not have more success than Chris and Aminu brought us, but he’s earned the chance and at the end of the day if all he does is get us back to where we were in 2010 it will have been a job well done.
 
Pilchard said:
There were several members of the BOT who have a particular influence on the athletic department sitting on the wood next to Manning last night.

Absent an NCAA violation or some other Michigan State type of issue arising with the hoop program, WF can lose out, and DM is not going anywhere after this season. Even if Wellman were to retire at the end of the school year (and guessing that he would've announced it by now if that was in the works), the new AD would not be in a position to make a move with the basketball job until the end of next season at the earliest. Also, DM just signed a lengthy extension, and while the buyout language is not public, if it's anything like most Power V coaching contracts, there is a hefty buyout (which may be largest at the front-end of the deal) which WF must decide that it's willing to eat (other than Dino, which is a separate case, in recent history, WF does not fire a hoop or football coach with time left on the deal; WF typically lets the contract run-out - Bz, Grobe). Finally, since Manning will be coaching next year, getting the big donors and Hatch on board to can Manning with several years left on his deal, would require WF to continue awful play through the end of this year (possible), and to show no improvement next year (again, possible, but WF will have some decent talent in the fold next year, and DM did take a team to the NCAAs last year).

In sum, a lot has to happen before replacing Manning is even a possibility, and even then, it's not the WF way. So, people can bitch and moan about DM all they want, but nothing will change for quite awhile.
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Wake did not let the [Redacted] or Grobe contracts run out. [Redacted] had a year left and Grobe had 3 years left.

Also, we have no idea if Manning's extension was lengthy or not. The length was not disclosed, which makes it more likely than not that it was actually only for a year or two.
 
RChildress107 said:
It’s a good sign for the program that people are calling for Manning’s job because of this season. If Manning has taken over under normal circumstances I would probably agree, but he didn’t. He gets credit for restoring normal expectations, and for that alone he deserves another year. He rightly gets blame for the team’s performance this season, though it hasn’t been as bad as most have made it seem.

This team has performed better than any the previous coach put on the floor, and is on par with the teams we had between Chris Paul and Aminu (our two most recent 5 star recruits). Hopefully he can have similar success when our next 5 star recruit steps on campus; I haven’t seen anything to indicate that he won’t. I am concerned that he might not have more success than Chris and Aminu brought us, but he’s earned the chance and at the end of the day if all he does is get us back to where we were in 2010 it will have been a job well done.
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Lol. I can’t even...what??
 
WFU Lurker said:
Wake did not let the [Redacted] or Grobe contracts run out. [Redacted] had a year left and Grobe had 3 years left.

Also, we have no idea if Manning's extension was lengthy or not. The length was not disclosed, which makes it more likely than not that it was actually only for a year or two.
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According to Goodman, the extension was 6 years (through 2024-25).
 
RChildress107 said:
It’s a good sign for the program that people are calling for Manning’s job because of this season. If Manning has taken over under normal circumstances I would probably agree, but he didn’t. He gets credit for restoring normal expectations, and for that alone he deserves another year. He rightly gets blame for the team’s performance this season, though it hasn’t been as bad as most have made it seem.

This team has performed better than any the previous coach put on the floor, and is on par with the teams we had between Chris Paul and Aminu (our two most recent 5 star recruits). Hopefully he can have similar success when our next 5 star recruit steps on campus; I haven’t seen anything to indicate that he won’t. I am concerned that he might not have more success than Chris and Aminu brought us, but he’s earned the chance and at the end of the day if all he does is get us back to where we were in 2010 it will have been a job well done.
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The expectations are to be bottom tier losers. That is what we are almost every season, besides last, which seems to be a fluke. John Collins type players don't come around that often and DM rode that to a play in game. Any improvement on that in the next 3 seasons would be surprising. I'm not sure what you've seen in this team to give them any kind of praise.
 
RChildress107 said:
It’s a good sign for the program that people are calling for Manning’s job because of this season. If Manning has taken over under normal circumstances I would probably agree, but he didn’t. He gets credit for restoring normal expectations, and for that alone he deserves another year. He rightly gets blame for the team’s performance this season, though it hasn’t been as bad as most have made it seem.

This team has performed better than any the previous coach put on the floor, and is on par with the teams we had between Chris Paul and Aminu (our two most recent 5 star recruits). Hopefully he can have similar success when our next 5 star recruit steps on campus; I haven’t seen anything to indicate that he won’t. I am concerned that he might not have more success than Chris and Aminu brought us, but he’s earned the chance and at the end of the day if all he does is get us back to where we were in 2010 it will have been a job well done.
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Being better than [Redacted] is the lowest possible bar we could set for a basketball coach. As of last night Manning finally has a better ACC record than [Redacted] and, for what it’s worth, [Redacted] didn’t have John Collins on his roster for 2 years.
 
deacfan123 said:
The expectations are to be bottom tier losers. That is what we are almost every season, besides last, which seems to be a fluke. John Collins type players don't come around that often and DM rode that to a play in game. Any improvement on that in the next 3 seasons would be surprising. I'm not sure what you've seen in this team to give them any kind of praise.
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birdman said:
Being better than [Redacted] is the lowest possible bar we could set for a basketball coach. As of last night Manning finally has a better ACC record than [Redacted] and, for what it’s worth, [Redacted] didn’t have John Collins on his roster for 2 years.
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I will never understand three things:

1: how people can just go full revisionist history mode and assume things that should not be assumed.

2. How people give DM no credit for Collins. "Rode John Collins" get that BS outta here. They both worked hard to get him where he is and Danny designed a game plan to maximize his effect on offense and it got us to the tournament.

3. "Bz didn't have Collins on his team" ??? What?? So it's a negative for Manning that he recruited and developed Collins? Christ guys I get you don't like him as a coach but some of this stuff is just ridiculous.
 
Ayo said:
According to Goodman, the extension was 6 years (through 2024-25).
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I had missed that. It is interesting though because the length's of Clawson's extensions was in the press release.
 
RChildress107 said:
It’s a good sign for the program that people are calling for Manning’s job because of this season. If Manning has taken over under normal circumstances I would probably agree, but he didn’t. He gets credit for restoring normal expectations, and for that alone he deserves another year. He rightly gets blame for the team’s performance this season, though it hasn’t been as bad as most have made it seem.

This team has performed better than any the previous coach put on the floor, and is on par with the teams we had between Chris Paul and Aminu (our two most recent 5 star recruits). Hopefully he can have similar success when our next 5 star recruit steps on campus; I haven’t seen anything to indicate that he won’t. I am concerned that he might not have more success than Chris and Aminu brought us, but he’s earned the chance and at the end of the day if all he does is get us back to where we were in 2010 it will have been a job well done.
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1/10
 
CharlotteDeac1 said:
I will never understand three things:

1: how people can just go full revisionist history mode and assume things that should not be assumed.

2. How people give DM no credit for Collins. "Rode John Collins" get that BS outta here. They both worked hard to get him where he is and Danny designed a game plan to maximize his effect on offense and it got us to the tournament.

3. "Bz didn't have Collins on his team" ??? What?? So it's a negative for Manning that he recruited and developed Collins? Christ guys I get you don't like him as a coach but some of this stuff is just ridiculous.
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I didn't say it was a negative for Manning to have Collins, but, setting aside for a moment the fact that it is the lowest possible bar we can set, how can we say "at least he is better than Bz" without acknowledging that his over all record is only marginally better than Bz, and he had the benefit of a borderline lottery pick on his team for two years. How does that not make you cringe and doubt Manning's ability to coach a basket ball TEAM? Good recruiter, great big man developer, not a team coach.

I also never said I don't like Manning. I do, in fact, like him a lot and really wish he was a better coach.
 
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