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BBall Recruiting Thread 2k19 - Charles Coleman de-commits to Wake. :(

Deaconblue said:
It is also about how good you are relative to others already on the team who play the position(s) you play.

Bryant Crawford walked through the door and was the best point guard on the team.
Wilbekin walked in the door and was the best three point marksman on the team.
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Hoard is the best forward.
 
jaybone said:
Minutes projections because why not:

Crawford 30 (18 at pt, 12 at the 2)
Hoard 28 (20 at the 3, 8 at the 4)
Moore 26 (all at the 5)
Sarr 26 (16 at the 4, 10 at the 5)
Brown 25 (all at the 2)
Chill 22 (all at the pt)
Mucius 20 (all at the 3)
Mitchell 16 (all at the 4)
Okeke 4 (all at the 5)
Wright 3 (all at the 2)
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what's your banging projection?
 
RJKarl said:
Hoard is the best forward.
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It certainly appears he should be, based on his HS performance. However, he is one guy and can only play either the three or the four at any particular time. The question will be how to fit the players together. More Hoard at the three, with Sarr and Mitchell getting more time at the four, or more Hoard at four, with Chaundee, Mucius or Eggleston at the three.

Wake will be better if Sarr/Mitchell develop enough to play the four and Hoard plays mostly three, with Chaundee at the two.
 
Good post ^^^

Deaconblue said:
Wake will be better if Sarr/Mitchell develop enough to play the four and Hoard plays mostly three, with Chaundee at the two.
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Word. I like Key, and wouldn't begrudge him for leaving certainly, but I kinda hope he does leave, as I'd rather see Danny's hand forced a bit in terms of not defaulting to 3-guard "small ball." It would be one thing if Woods was more Peter Pan than pirate, but he really is a deficiency on defense. And I just don't see him wanting to settle for 20-25 mins of 6th man again when he played over 30 mpg in Danny's only successful campaign. But that is up to Keyshawn, if he decides he really wants to dedicate himself to conditioning and improving his agility, he could enjoy the fruits of his labor playing as senior leader at Wake, and then overseas as a great energy guy off the bench the first couple seasons. But no matter what, he really needs to work on agility and footwork etc.
 
WFUWaldo said:
Or if you're Chase Fischer.
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If you look at that 2011 - 2012 roster, Chase was the third or fourth best guy at 1,2 and 3. So he got those minutes almost by default. 5+6+15 backup minutes = 26. Who you picking between Chase Fischer, Anthony Fields, Spence Jennings, Brooks Godwin?

CJ Harris and Tony Chenault were playing about as many minutes as their legs could handle. Three guards instead of Nikita Mescheriakov.
 
BBall Recruiting Thread 2k19 - Hoard, Mucius, Lewis, and Wright sign NLIs!

Strickland33 said:
I gave up a long time ago...
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No news is no news.

Should we have separate threads to discuss recruiting and recruits?

No. That would be dumb.
 
Deaconblue said:
If you look at that 2011 - 2012 roster, Chase was the third or fourth best guy at 1,2 and 3. So he got those minutes almost by default. 5+6+15 backup minutes = 26. Who you picking between Chase Fischer, Anthony Fields, Spence Jennings, Brooks Godwin?

CJ Harris and Tony Chenault were playing about as many minutes as their legs could handle. Three guards instead of Nikita Mescheriakov.
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Ewww god, let's talk about next year at least. Why revisit that history?? Anthony Fields eegads!
 
It's what happens when you have a pinned year-long recruiting thread when there's only recruiting news a few months of the year.
 
PhDeac said:
No news is no news.

Should we have separate threads to discuss recruiting and recruits?

No. That would be dumb.
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I’m talking more about the Manning Credibility thread spillover, but I agree with you.
 
thatguy2016 said:
what's your banging projection?
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Sarr/Mitchell

Sounds like a bill sponsored by two US Senators to water down financial restrictions implemented after the bundled mortgage fuckshow, doesn't it?

The Sarr/Mitchell amendment will allow banks to ________________, which Senator Elizabeth Warren along with Bernie Sanders, vehemently oppose.
 
Jay, remember if Hoard plays 27.7 mpg, you'll be considered waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off and just plain wrong.
 
Deaconblue said:
If you look at that 2011 - 2012 roster, Chase was the third or fourth best guy at 1,2 and 3. So he got those minutes almost by default. 5+6+15 backup minutes = 26. Who you picking between Chase Fischer, Anthony Fields, Spence Jennings, Brooks Godwin?

CJ Harris and Tony Chenault were playing about as many minutes as their legs could handle. Three guards instead of Nikita Mescheriakov.
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I'll always laugh at the GIF of Nikita shooting a jumper that hits the side of the backboard and CJ Harris throwing up his arms in frustration. Because it looked like a REALLY BAD Rec league play - like a Rec Leaguer would have embarrassed by that shot.
 
I don't know where to go to find recruiting rankings prior to the 1998 class, but perhaps that '98 class can be a bit of a guide as to Odom's approach in recruiting. 5 of the 6 recruits that year, Hicks, Songaila, Dawson, Scott and Murray were ranked between 50 & 101 (although I'm finding Ervin Murray's rank of 85-101 a little bit hard to believe). To me that seems like a realistic approach where you focus MOST of your efforts on the guys ranked 50-125 or 150 and then bring them along incrementally to complement the occasional stud. But it looks like Manning is putting too many eggs in the stud basket as we currently have offers out to the 5, 8, 9, 11, 15, 18, 19, 20, 23, 24 and 25th highest rank players per 247 Sports. We've offered at least 16 of the Top 51 (Nickleberry) and it seems like we are only really in contention with 3 or 4 (lukewarm at best?).

In the past few years, hasn't Manning offered even more of the Top 50 in hopes of casting a wide net and reeling in a big fish? So far it's yielded Craw (82), Moore (71), SJM (101), Brown (32.5), Hoard (28.5), and Zeke (85.8) as our top 6 highest rated recruits (out of 18). That doesn't seem like the best batting average, certainly when it comes to swinging for the fences at the Top 25 of each class. Perhaps Danny and company ought to have been spending a little more time courting the players in the 50-125 range, who might get picked over by their first choice in the ACC and want a chance to exact some revenge on other ACC coaches.

Instead, he spends too much time courting Cinderella at the Ball, and then gets left holding the shoe. To wit, the other 12 recruits have been mostly reaches with an avg ranking of 220, including Collins at 121. While you have to give credit to Danny for finding that huge diamond in the proverbial rough, what do you assign Cornelius Hudson, Dinos or Sunday Okeke? Even if you remove JC from the calcs, throw out Okeke and give Young Crab a 125, and Dinos a 100, that's still an avg of about 209.5. That's simply not good enough and probably nowhere close to Dave Odom quality over 12 years. That's a problem in and of itself. 2018 is certainly a step in the right direction, but he still needs a very good 2019 class to keep it rolling. Is it enough to make up for the first 3-4 years?

PS -- it was Dave's underachievement with this bunch and J-Ho that ultimately got him "un-renewed" in 2001. It was probably time for a fresh start and Prosser managed to do a bit more with that bunch than win the NIT Championship. Anyway, while Odom had the good fortune of more big-time (performance) players like RoRo and Childress and Duncan, Odom's Collins, his first 8 years, it wasn't like he had a bunch more Top 50 recruits to augment his team and push them over the top. But he came damn close for a few years with fair (average 3.5 stars?) to above-average talent, which is where Wake probably should be (two 50-75's with a few 75-150's sprinkled in). Many forget, but Odom had recruited more highly ranked players like Steve Rich, who ultimately transferred, and good 'ol Mahktar, who nearly got us put on probation. But Odom was doing a better job of assigning his priority targets and courting those coveted post guys who could make a difference for the type of style he preferred. Manning seems to be inching closer with these rangy, athletic swing men, but it won't be enough beyond 2018-19. Get crackin' Danny! Assuming you still have your job.
 
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