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Danny Manning Credibility Watch

I apologize for giving NoChill something else to harp upon. Sorry guys
 
RChildress107 said:
NBA players produced, NCAAT appearances, recruiting, overall talent, 4,3,2, and 1 year averages of any rating system that accounts for strength of schedule and margin of victory.
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1 nba player versus 1 for Buzz if you count Tyler Cavanaugh in four years. Plus Isaac Haas would have stayed at Wake if Bz stayed so next year [Redacted] would actually have two. Talent is not much different after seeing how all the transfers did after they left Wake in Bzs time. Include Haas, Shelton Milton CMM, McKie, Roundtree, Moto, the BYU transfer and I don’t see us much different now than then. Certainly the bottom of the bench is weaker. And I am certainly not advocating for [Redacted]...he was an abysmal failure in any possible expectation for a Wake B.B. coach. Danny does not stack up well against him though.

Strength of schedule and Ken Pom ratings! Yay, now those are something we can all celebrate. I know that you just like to argue and rustle jimmies with people who really care about Wake Forest basketball. That is fine. We all need hobbies.
 
The fallacy that Haas would have come to Wake with Bz is one of the weirdest things on this board. The guy decommitted just a few days into Bz's last season, and we had a decent record at the time. If Haas has that level of clairvoyance, then he needs to quit basketball and become a full-time lotto player.
 
lbdeac94 said:
1 nba player versus 1 for Buzz if you count Tyler Cavanaugh in four years. Plus Isaac Haas would have stayed at Wake if Bz stayed so next year [Redacted] would actually have two. Talent is not much different after seeing how all the transfers did after they left Wake in Bzs time. Include Haas, Shelton Milton CMM, McKie, Roundtree, Moto, the BYU transfer and I don’t see us much different now than then. Certainly the bottom of the bench is weaker. And I am certainly not advocating for [Redacted]...he was an abysmal failure in any possible expectation for a Wake B.B. coach. Danny does not stack up well against him though.

Strength of schedule and Ken Pom ratings! Yay, now those are something we can all celebrate. I know that you just like to argue and rustle jimmies with people who really care about Wake Forest basketball. That is fine. We all need hobbies.
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Major revisionist history in this post, especially with respect to Haas.
 
Well about Haas, I love Rusty as one of the greatest of Deacs (plus a great human being) and hate it for him and his family for the tragedy he had to go through with his son but he TOTALLY dropped the ball on the Haas recruitment and that is a fact
 
RChildress107 said:
Most on this board wouldn’t.

They’d rather have three of [Redacted]’s final season (winning record against an intentionally weak schedule with a couple of feel good wins but no shot at the postseason) than two shitty seasons and a top 40 NCAAT team. Neither is ideal or ultimately acceptable, but I’d take the latter every time.
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RChildress107 said:
And our basketball program is historically a hell of a lot better than our football program.
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no shit

that's why the basketball coach should be evaluated relative to the historical success of the basketball program and likewise for football

the football coach had the #1 season in the modern day history of the school according to the metric you're choosing to use

the basketball coach...not so much
 
Ryan Odom fits nearly every criteria I have had which had me promoting Wes Miller. I do not know him as well but if something as crazy is this as what it takes for us to make the extreme correct hire, i'm all for it.
 
donaldross said:
Ryan Odom fits nearly every criteria I have had which had me promoting Wes Miller. I do not know him as well but if something as crazy is this as what it takes for us to make the extreme correct hire, i'm all for it.
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I’d trade Manning out for him in a heart beat.
 
We should at least wait until after their sweet 16 matchup to decide if Oats or Odom should be our next coach, now that Bennett is out of the picture. A 3 game sample size might be too big though.
 
RChildress107 said:
We should at least wait until after their sweet 16 matchup to decide if Oats or Odom should be our next coach, now that Bennett is out of the picture. A 3 game sample size might be too big though.
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Ryan Odom and UMBC did what Danny Manning hasn't been able to accomplish in four years at Wake Forest.

Just stop, man.
 
RChildress107 said:
We should at least wait until after their sweet 16 matchup to decide if Oats or Odom should be our next coach, now that Bennett is out of the picture. A 3 game sample size might be too big though.
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Your strawman game is unparalleled.
 
https://magazine.umbc.edu/a-whole-new-di-ballgame-bobby-mills-91/

“It’s a Whole New Ballgame”

This was the slogan that former athletics director Rick Hartzell chose to use as he piloted the UMBC Athletics’ program into the NCAA Division I era in the fall of 1986. For a university with only 20 years under its belt, the words seemed apt.

Within the new structure, a great number of UMBC teams were expected to fare reasonably well in the early stages of the Division I experience, but the men’s basketball program was not among them. After some great fortune, marked by back-to-back NCAA Division II appearances in 1978 and 1979, a loss of scholarships helped sink the program into poor condition just a few years later. In fact, the Retrievers won only five games (5-23) in their final D-II campaign and a daunting D-I independent schedule in their initial campaign had those inside and outside the UMBC Fieldhouse wondering if new head coach Jeff [Redacted] would win a contest in 1986-87.

But [Redacted], using his resources as a former Northwestern assistant, gathered several Division I-ready players shortly after arriving in Baltimore. Junior college transfers Reggie Truitt ’89 and Jeff Reynolds ’89, DeMatha High School product Duane Faust, and Towson Catholic’s Gamel Spencer ’90 teamed up with dedicated holdovers and two other recruits with whom [Redacted] had forged bonds on the recruiting trail at his former Big Ten school: Larry Simmons ’90 and Bobby Mills ’91.

That group shocked the skeptics and won 12 games (12-16) in the first season. The following year, the addition of Reynold’s brother Kenny propelled the team to a 13-win season (Jeff missed the year due to injury). When the Reynolds brothers finally got on the court together in 1988-89, the Retrievers posted a mark of 17-11 and captured the Battle of Baltimore Tournament under first-year head coach Earl Hawkins.

Mills had visited Northwestern and also had offers from George Mason, St. Peter’s and St. Francis University of Pennsylvania. But he ultimately decided to take a chance and come to Baltimore to play for Coach [Redacted]. “It gave me the opportunity to play right away,” said Mills, who also promised his parents he would find a school with an engineering program. “It came down to the right situation for me, coming in with the new guys and building something up from the ground.”
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Mills said he was thrilled when Ryan Odom was hired as the new head coach of his alma mater in the spring of 2016. He knew Odom’s father, Dave, from his days working as a counselor at Five Star Basketball Camp where the elder Odom served as the head coach for a number of years.

“Ryan reached out to me the day he got the job through Coach [Redacted],” said Mills. “He’s a great person, easy to relate to and is a fabulous coach. He is somebody I would have loved to play for.”

Mills has also built relationships with director of athletics Tim Hall and head women’s basketball coach Phil Stern and is thrilled that the programs will be moving across the street to a great basketball facility in the UMBC Event Center.

“UMBC has a bright future,” he said. “There are great people there; the key is keeping in touch with the former athletes and letting them know the great things the university is doing.”
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A bright future would be nice.
 
I forgot Rick Hartzell was an NCAA AD while he was also an NCAA referee.

We've pretty much got to hire Ryan Odom at this point. Or at least Nate Oats.
 
RChildress107 said:
I’m with you. We have a solid track record of hiring coaches based on one game.
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I'm with you.

KU Icon Danny Manning Has Tulsa In Big Dance

Danny Manning, in his second season as Tulsa’s coach, has guided the Golden Hurricane into the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 2003. Tulsa won Conference USA’s automatic bid with a 69-60 victory over Louisiana Tech Saturday in the championship game of the C-USA tournament.

Tulsa (21-11) has won 11 straight. The Golden Hurricane started 1-6 and were 4-9 in late December with losses to Oklahoma and TCU (twice) plus defeats by NCAA Tournament teams Wichita State and Creighton. Ironically, Tulsa’s victory came over a Louisiana Tech team that defeated Oklahoma in overtime and lost at Oklahoma State in December games.
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Ryan Odom has a pretty solid track record. I was impressed before this game.
 
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