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Urban Meyer Credibility Watch (NWT)

Urban Meyer is a two faced piece of shit. He enabled murderers and rapists to run wild in Gainesville and then faked a heart condition to get out of it. All while he beats the Bible and pretends to be a pious man.

So this is not bad surprising. Fuck him. He is everything that is wrong with our society. I hope he strokes out tomorrow.
 
BillBrasky said:
Urban Meyer is a two faced piece of shit. He enabled murderers and rapists to run wild in Gainesville and then faked a heart condition to get out of it. All while he beats the Bible and pretends to be a pious man.

So this is not bad surprising. Fuck him. He is everything that is wrong with our society. I hope he strokes out tomorrow.
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Damn! Cutting deep with the truth! The same could be said for Roy Williams, too. I like it.
 
I'm enjoying my uber Penn State buddy posting the following:

"Looking forward to our only roadblock to a B1G title being removed within a week. Ciao, you murder/abuse cover-up artist."
 
BillBrasky said:
Urban Meyer is a two faced piece of shit. He enabled murderers and rapists to run wild in Gainesville and then faked a heart condition to get out of it. All while he beats the Bible and pretends to be a pious man.

So this is not bad surprising. Fuck him. He is everything that is wrong with our society. I hope he strokes out tomorrow.
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You realize Florida's football program has had more arrests since Meyer's departure than when he was there, right? I hated him at Florida, but he wasn't the problem. He's also only had 14 players arrested in the 6+ years at OSU, and has suspended or kicked multiple marquee players off the team for issues (Carlos Hyde, Noah Spence).

Aren't you randomly a Bama fan? They've had 29 players arrested since Meyer took over at OSU, for reference.

This certainly isn't a good look in the days of #metoo, and Meyer certainly has a scummy side, but I don't really get the huge uproar over this. If the police and legal system didn't do anything, why was he required to take action? If a crazy ex of mine emails/texts my CEO or his wife and tells them I abused her (have never/would never), should I be immediately fired or placed on administrative leave?

There certainly is going to be more to the story on both sides, so we'll see what happens. Interested to hear Zach Smith's testimony from court (first date is tomorrow), as he and his lawyer seem pretty adamant that most of her claims are made up or significantly exaggerated, and claim each police officer that ever responded to an incident will corroborate. And then you've got McMurphy saying he's got even more damning information that he can't yet release.
 
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tigerswood, you can’t just throw a blanket statement like you did in that first 1st sentence for a valid argument.

So many factors can go into that. Some of those arrests after he left could have been his players, Gainesville cops might be more attentive to football players/known football houses, has Meyer been gone longer than his tenure there? among many other factors.
 
Using Tigerwood's logic that more UF players have been arrested since he left than during his tenure, then an embezzler who steals $10M shouldn't be held accountable, because his replacement stole $20M.

Urban Meyer is, was and likely always will be lower than pond scum.
 
tigerswood said:
This certainly isn't a good look in the days of #metoo, and Meyer certainly has a scummy side, but I don't really get the huge uproar over this. If the police and legal system didn't do anything, why was he required to take action? If a crazy ex of mine emails/texts my CEO or his wife and tells them I abused her (have never/would never), should I be immediately fired or placed on administrative leave?

There certainly is going to be more to the story on both sides, so we'll see what happens. Interested to hear Zach Smith's testimony from court (first date is tomorrow), as he and his lawyer seem pretty adamant that most of her claims are made up or significantly exaggerated, and claim each police officer that ever responded to an incident will corroborate. And then you've got McMurphy saying he's got even more damning information that he can't yet release.
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This is some first rate victim shaming and hedging whataboutism. Bravo.
 
Meh, Tebow loves Meyer. Tebow > you guys. Also, I hated Tebow at UF.
 
CantStandYa said:
This is some first rate victim shaming and hedging whataboutism. Bravo.
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So employers are supposed to be the judge, jury, and executioner when the legal system doesn't do anything? Help me out there.

Did Meyer have a moral obligation to fire Smith? Maybe. I'd even say probably, depending on what real evidence comes out about his knowledge of the alleged incidents. Maybe he thought he could better help the Smiths by letting the guy coach, mentoring him, and "giving him something to lose"? Maybe he knew about everything that went on and turned a blind eye like a scumbag? Maybe he discussed the issue with the local police and/or DA who were involved and also elected to do nothing? We don't know...
 
tigerswood said:
So employers are supposed to be the judge, jury, and executioner when the legal system doesn't do anything? Help me out there.

Did Meyer have a moral obligation to fire Smith? Maybe. I'd even say probably, depending on what real evidence comes out about his knowledge of the alleged incidents. Maybe he thought he could better help the Smiths by letting the guy coach, mentoring him, and "giving him something to lose"? Maybe he knew about everything that went on and turned a blind eye like a scumbag? Maybe he discussed the issue with the local police and/or DA who were involved and also elected to do nothing? We don't know...
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It is not about the employer being judge and jury, it is about the duty of the employee to report the allegations to the University. Under Title IX, Urban was required to report the abuse to Ohio State. Title IX states that "A college or university that receives Federal funding may be held legally responsible when it knows about and ignores sexual harassment or assault in its program or activities." Coach Smith was part of the program at the time of the 2015 assault. There is also the issue of Ohio State's own sexual misconduct policy. Meyer's contract states that "he must promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Coordinator for Athletics, any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual misconduct policy....that involve any student, faculty or staff."

Shelly Meyer is also a Ohio State employee, so she had a duty to report the abuse under Title IX.

Anyone who thinks that a wife would keep this information from her husband, when it concerns a member of the husband's staff is lying to themselves. Urban knew about the allegations in 2015, and never reported them, and lied to the media (which isn't illegal, just a bad look). If he gets canned, the school can fire him with cause because of the Title IX violation.

The really sickening thing is the amount of people attacking this woman now. After years in an abusive relationship, she is able to get herself out, and is being attacked, because of Football. I even saw someone accuse her of doing this for the money. WHAT MONEY?
 
I'm in favor of whatever damages Urban Meyer and tOSU the most.
 
TimmyClutch said:
It is not about the employer being judge and jury, it is about the duty of the employee to report the allegations to the University. Under Title IX, Urban was required to report the abuse to Ohio State. Title IX states that "A college or university that receives Federal funding may be held legally responsible when it knows about and ignores sexual harassment or assault in its program or activities." Coach Smith was part of the program at the time of the 2015 assault. There is also the issue of Ohio State's own sexual misconduct policy. Meyer's contract states that "he must promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Coordinator for Athletics, any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual misconduct policy....that involve any student, faculty or staff."

Shelly Meyer is also a Ohio State employee, so she had a duty to report the abuse under Title IX.

Anyone who thinks that a wife would keep this information from her husband, when it concerns a member of the husband's staff is lying to themselves. Urban knew about the allegations in 2015, and never reported them, and lied to the media (which isn't illegal, just a bad look). If he gets canned, the school can fire him with cause because of the Title IX violation.

The really sickening thing is the amount of people attacking this woman now. After years in an abusive relationship, she is able to get herself out, and is being attacked, because of Football. I even saw someone accuse her of doing this for the money. WHAT MONEY?
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Maybe she finally got the courage because of the #metoo movement and that's what prompted her to speak. If so, then good for her. Thinking about all possible scenerios in a situation like this, where no legal action was taken, doesn't seem "sickening" to me. She has stated that she did not press charges in 2015 to protect her husband's job. Once he shamefully loses that job and there is no income stream in the forseeable future, then she goes public. Do we know if/how much she was paid by Stadium for the interview?

Despite being an OSU fan, I agree the most likely scenerio is that Meyer knew about most of the alleged incidents and did nothing to protect Earl Bruce's (his mentor and a former OSU coach) grandson. And if that's the case, he probably won't and shouldn't survive it. My point is that there are so many other plausible outcomes - both much more and much less damning for Meyer/OSU - and we simply don't know what really happened yet.

Additionally, I don't think it's set in stone that this is a Title IX issue. Dan Murphy, ESPN's B1G reporter, thinks that it is likely not. I don't know enough about Title IX to have an opinion. Does it matter that Mrs. Smith wasn't an OSU student/employee? Did any of the incidents happen on OSU property? No clue.
 
TimmyClutch said:
Under Title IX, Urban was required to report the abuse to Ohio State. Title IX states that "A college or university that receives Federal funding may be held legally responsible when it knows about and ignores sexual harassment or assault in its program or activities." Coach Smith was part of the program at the time of the 2015 assault. There is also the issue of Ohio State's own sexual misconduct policy. Meyer's contract states that "he must promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Coordinator for Athletics, any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual misconduct policy....that involve any student, faculty or staff."
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Genuine question - is all domestic violence de facto sexual harassment/assault? The descriptions from McMurphy's report just sound like domestic violence. And if no sexual assault, was there a Title IX obligation?
 
On the bright side, the Gameday signs this fall should be epic

Shelley Meyer might want to leave social media forever
 
TimmyClutch said:
It is not about the employer being judge and jury, it is about the duty of the employee to report the allegations to the University. Under Title IX, Urban was required to report the abuse to Ohio State. Title IX states that "A college or university that receives Federal funding may be held legally responsible when it knows about and ignores sexual harassment or assault in its program or activities." Coach Smith was part of the program at the time of the 2015 assault. There is also the issue of Ohio State's own sexual misconduct policy. Meyer's contract states that "he must promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Coordinator for Athletics, any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual misconduct policy....that involve any student, faculty or staff."

Shelly Meyer is also a Ohio State employee, so she had a duty to report the abuse under Title IX.

Anyone who thinks that a wife would keep this information from her husband, when it concerns a member of the husband's staff is lying to themselves. Urban knew about the allegations in 2015, and never reported them, and lied to the media (which isn't illegal, just a bad look). If he gets canned, the school can fire him with cause because of the Title IX violation.

The really sickening thing is the amount of people attacking this woman now. After years in an abusive relationship, she is able to get herself out, and is being attacked, because of Football. I even saw someone accuse her of doing this for the money. WHAT MONEY?
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Do we know this? And do we know OSU wasn't aware of this already, considering police had investigated the multiple incidents? Do we know domestic violence is under the umbrella of "sexual misconduct"?
 
tigerswood said:
So employers are supposed to be the judge, jury, and executioner when the legal system doesn't do anything? Help me out there.

Did Meyer have a moral obligation to fire Smith? Maybe. I'd even say probably, depending on what real evidence comes out about his knowledge of the alleged incidents. Maybe he thought he could better help the Smiths by letting the guy coach, mentoring him, and "giving him something to lose"? Maybe he knew about everything that went on and turned a blind eye like a scumbag? Maybe he discussed the issue with the local police and/or DA who were involved and also elected to do nothing? We don't know...
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And if he only raped three women, maybe Meyer should "mentor" him.

Or if he only robbed one bank or beat up two old ladies.

Talk about being an apologist.
 
IIRC Joe Paterno was fired for something like this. And if you remember, he was a big time coach at the time. He could have had any NFL job he wanted when he got in trouble, so they take these things very seriously.
 
RJKarl said:
And if he only raped three women, maybe Meyer should "mentor" him.

Or if he only robbed one bank or beat up two old ladies.

Talk about being an apologist.
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Who said he should have done that? It was a simple hypothetical. Again, your examples would likely be pretty clear cut crimes that would be persecuted by law enforcment, wouldn't they? This is far from clear cut at this time.
 
Ayo said:
Do we know this? And do we know OSU wasn't aware of this already, considering police had investigated the multiple incidents? Do we know domestic violence is under the umbrella of "sexual misconduct"?
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Domestic violence is under the category of assault, and intimate violence, which is covered. Also, if OSU did know about it, then there would be no investigation into whether Meyer knew about it? The whole point of the investigation is to find out whether Meyer knew about the allegations, and IF he did know, whether he had a duty to report it. Now, maybe this situation goes all Baylor or Michigan State and the whole Department gets taken down for not doing anything, but right now the focus of the investigation is on what Meyer knew.

Doesn't matter if its on campus or not, its about whether is in "the programs or activities." This is where an attorney will argue that the wife of a staffer doesn't count under Title IX. His duty was not to determine whether or not the abuse occurred, it was to report these incidents to the University, when they become aware of information that would lead a reasonable person to believe that the misconduct may have occurred involving anyone covered under the policy. Even if that does work, still a bad look for a Coach to know about these allegations against a staffer and not report it.

I thought Brett McMurphy did an excellent job of describing all this in his post, worth the read.
 
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