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John McCain has died

My crazy preconceived notions of how much money it costs to buy a nice house in a suburb and the general American demographics of people who have that much money. Someone stop me, i'm making such wild assumptions!

Just another reminder that you’re talking to someone with a nice house in a suburb and telling him that what he is experiencing with his own eyes and with analyses from around the state is wrong because you’re relying on your own stereotypes, incredulous moderates who don’t understand black voters, and #analysis from right-leaning local paper.
 
Loving the Socialist and Marxist-Light in-fighting.

It bodes well for MAGA and we going to see you crushed in November

Unfortunately you might be right. MHB and MHMD don't and can't fucking get it. Not worth trying anymore. They will continue to kick themselves and the people and causes they claim to support right in the gonads and then blame everyone else. Just dim fuckin bulbs.
 
Unfortunately you might be right. MHB and MHMD don't and can't fucking get it. Not worth trying anymore. They will continue to kick themselves and the people and causes they claim to support right in the gonads and then blame everyone else. Just dim fuckin bulbs.

what don't we get horseshoe theory man?
 
what don't we get horseshoe theory man?

You don't get that being rude, crude, insulting, name calling and more towards people who agree with you 60-80+% of the time is stupid, wrongheaded and suicidal to your goals.
 
I many or most of the DSA are like MDMH and MHB, then their dreams are DOA. Their attitudes and words will put off a wide variety of people who might work to support them. A response of "we don't want them anyway" would be a perfect example.

Their inability to show human decency will drive people away and make them look just like the extreme right.

You don't get that being rude, crude, insulting, name calling and more towards people who agree with you 60-80+% of the time is stupid, wrongheaded and suicidal to your goals.

This is all bullshit of course. Fortunately, this board is not representative of our society nor DSA's target demographic. Right now, I'm 1 of 50,000 in the biggest socialist organization in a century.

The DSA is not only by far the largest socialist organization in the United States in the 21st century, it is also the largest socialist organization in the United States in over a century.[22][23] By the end of 2017, membership in the organization had risen to 32,000, primarily due to the influx of youth in reaction to the presidency of Donald Trump. As of September 2018, membership stood at 50,000[2] and the number of local chapters had increased from 40 to 181.[24] The median age of its membership is 33, compared to 68 in 2013.[25] In the 2017 election, fifteen candidates who were members of the DSA were elected to office in thirteen states, most notably Lee Carter in the Virginia House of Delegates, adding to the twenty members already holding elected office nationwide.[26]

Regardless of what you think of my refusal to be polite about a warmonger, we ARE winning people over. If I won over 1-2 people on here, I'd consider that a success.

Since you like to just make up numbers as fact all the time, where are you getting the 60-80% from? What key issues do you think make up that 60-80%? Because when I want to talk about healthcare as a human right, or that police and prisons are bad, or that having special forces in 150 countries and bombing civilians in Yemen is bad, you want to constantly disagree with me. So either the 80% number is made up, or the numbers are correct and 20% is important enough that it means we can't agree on political strategy.

This board is full of educated people. At this point, you should all be mostly aware of the DSA and its key issues. If you support medicare for all, or organizing tenants against shitty landlords, or organizing low-wage workers for paid sick leave, or doing free brake light clinics, or supporting teacher strikes, etc., then you should come organize with us, regardless of your political affiliation. But if you'd rather judge us by my words about John McCain on an internet message board, then you don't actually care about people most harmed by Trump's policies.

In other words, I have a better chance winning over people to my movement by showing actual real fucking decency to poor and working class people, than I do by praising someone who was always against the interests of the poor and working class. You want to pretend to be anti-racist and anti-fascist while lecturing people that are doing anti-racist, anti-fascist organizing work.
 
You don't get that being rude, crude, insulting, name calling and more towards people who agree with you 60-80+% of the time is stupid, wrongheaded and suicidal to your goals.

Welcome to the Democratic Party.

I long ago threw out any horsehit idealizations you assholes opine regarding propriety on these boards.
I know how to deal with it. Fire for Fire is what the nasty ass Democrat progressive understands.

So with that in mind..Go and get yourself fucked worse than you already are :)
 
 
Welcome to the Democratic Party.

I long ago threw out any horsehit idealizations you assholes opine regarding propriety on these boards.
I know how to deal with it. Fire for Fire is what the nasty ass Democrat progressive understands.

So with that in mind..Go and get yourself fucked worse than you already are :)

For all of the talk about horseshoe theory, this post really explains it a nutshell.

Fire for fire between two extreme sides in a country always works out so well. Just what we need....two sides digging their heels in the sand harder than ever before while lobbing rhetorical and political bombs at each other. And that’s if we’re lucky.

There’s a reason why Russia incites people on both sides of the far end of the political spectrum while throwing shade at those who try to bring people together like John McCain.
 
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This is all bullshit of course. Fortunately, this board is not representative of our society nor DSA's target demographic. Right now, I'm 1 of 50,000 in the biggest socialist organization in a century.



Regardless of what you think of my refusal to be polite about a warmonger, we ARE winning people over. If I won over 1-2 people on here, I'd consider that a success.

Since you like to just make up numbers as fact all the time, where are you getting the 60-80% from? What key issues do you think make up that 60-80%? Because when I want to talk about healthcare as a human right, or that police and prisons are bad, or that having special forces in 150 countries and bombing civilians in Yemen is bad, you want to constantly disagree with me. So either the 80% number is made up, or the numbers are correct and 20% is important enough that it means we can't agree on political strategy.

This board is full of educated people. At this point, you should all be mostly aware of the DSA and its key issues. If you support medicare for all, or organizing tenants against shitty landlords, or organizing low-wage workers for paid sick leave, or doing free brake light clinics, or supporting teacher strikes, etc., then you should come organize with us, regardless of your political affiliation. But if you'd rather judge us by my words about John McCain on an internet message board, then you don't actually care about people most harmed by Trump's policies.

In other words, I have a better chance winning over people to my movement by showing actual real fucking decency to poor and working class people, than I do by praising someone who was always against the interests of the poor and working class. You want to pretend to be anti-racist and anti-fascist while lecturing people that are doing anti-racist, anti-fascist organizing work.

You COULD win people over, but you have chosen to act like those you allegedly despise instead.
 

Christ. Do you really believe this shit? That liberals are ready to join the Republican Party if they work together to get rid of Trump? No wonder why you are so fuckikg paranoid.

I am a former Republican and even I think this would be a dumb fucking idea. I’ve said many times the GOP needs to take a nice long timeout and think about how it’s behaved...top down.

Democrats have an incredible opportunity to responsibly lead the country for at least several cycles. Don’t fuck it up.
 
Christ. Do you really believe this shit? That liberals are ready to join the Republican Party if they work together to get rid of Trump? No wonder why you are so fuckikg paranoid.

I am a former Republican and even I think this would be a dumb fucking idea. I’ve said many times the GOP needs to take a nice long timeout and think about how it’s behaved...top down.

Democrats have an incredible opportunity to responsibly lead the country for at least several cycles. Don’t fuck it up.

What do you mean do I believe it? It's happened before in this country, and its happening right before our eyes. A bunch of liberals are celebrating the presence of Kissinger, Bush and other war criminals at the funeral of a person who was allegedly against their interests. Palin and Brazile are having a party. Obama said he never doubted him and McCain were on the same team. Tom Perez thinks dems should start taking fossil fuel money again. The MO Dem party removed statements regarding pro-choice stances from their platform. The Democratic party has been so bad on labor issues, the KS firefighters just backed Kobach over a dem for the first time in their history. Schumer just struck a deal to approve all Trump's judges. If a new member (cough...Cortez) ever tries to share a pro-palestinian stance, the establishment freaks out and makes her backtrack.

*you are still a Republican.

If Democrats fuck it up, it won't be my fault.
 
Way to miss my entire argument.

"In other words, I have a better chance winning over people to my movement by showing actual real fucking decency to poor and working class people, than I do by praising someone who was always against the interests of the poor and working class. You want to pretend to be anti-racist and anti-fascist while lecturing people that are doing anti-racist, anti-fascist organizing work."

You couldn't be more wrong about this. What's worse is you don't care. You don't have a fucking clue what I and others here have done in their lives, but you continue to act like a totally arrogant asshole towards us.

You talk about going to a meeting or lecturing us online. That's REALLY getting into it. Maybe one day you'll go to help real people. Maybe one day, you'll put your own life and freedom on the line.

Only a total poser asshole would continue to lecture those who have gone to help people overcome racist laws and countries we are "pretenders".
 
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"In other words, I have a better chance winning over people to my movement by showing actual real fucking decency to poor and working class people, than I do by praising someone who was always against the interests of the poor and working class. You want to pretend to be anti-racist and anti-fascist while lecturing people that are doing anti-racist, anti-fascist organizing work."

You couldn't be more wrong about this. What's worse is you don't care. You don't have a fucking clue what I and others here have done in their lives, but you continue to act like a totally arrogant asshole towards us.

You talk about going to a meeting or lecturing us online. That's REALLY getting into it. Maybe one day you'll go to help real people. Maybe one day, you'll put your own life and freedom on the line.

Only a total poser asshole would continue to lecture those who have gone to people overcome racist laws and countries we are "pretenders".

RJ, are you organizing your community to vote yes on Prop 10? What about against ICE’s infiltration into institutions designed to help indigent Californians? What about for health care for all?

I’m asking because DSA is out there every day, canvassing, phonebanking, and collecting signatures on all of the issues that Democrats allegedly care about, but haven’t positively impacted in decades.

On the one hand, I agree that mdmh and mhb have been lousy messengers as of late, but it would be stupid to write off the positive work that DSA has been doing around the United States while the rest of the left appears to be conflating retweeting and arguing on the internet with activism.
 
On the one hand, I agree that mdmh and mhb have been lousy messengers as of late.

fair, but I dont represent DSA, and im not here to win any converts. I don't have any hope for anyone policing the decorum of a John McCain thread. My local DSA and the national DSA is focused on outreach to minorities and working class whites.
 
"In other words, I have a better chance winning over people to my movement by showing actual real fucking decency to poor and working class people, than I do by praising someone who was always against the interests of the poor and working class. You want to pretend to be anti-racist and anti-fascist while lecturing people that are doing anti-racist, anti-fascist organizing work."

You couldn't be more wrong about this. What's worse is you don't care. You don't have a fucking clue what I and others here have done in their lives, but you continue to act like a totally arrogant asshole towards us.

You talk about going to a meeting or lecturing us online. That's REALLY getting into it. Maybe one day you'll go to help real people. Maybe one day, you'll put your own life and freedom on the line.

Only a total poser asshole would continue to lecture those who have gone to people overcome racist laws and countries we are "pretenders".


That last sentence tho
 
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