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Trump’s Own Team Knows His Caravan Claims Are Bullshit

birdman said:
It’s not crazy to believe that bills like the ACA actually impede substantial progress on real healthcare reform. And, on issues like environmental protection, endangered species, and climate change where we definitely can afford corporate appeasing half measures, McCasskill could actually be quite regressive.

If I was in Missouri I’d vote for her because I’d have not other rational choice and the stakes with President Trump are way too high. But I can’t deny the McKaskill is a the wrong kind of ‘Democrat’.
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That makes no sense. ACA is far from perfect but it has helped tens of millions of Americans. You can't change 1/7 of the entire economy at once without taking other steps first. Last year we spent over $3.2TRILLION on healthcare.

That one business would the fifth largest national GDP in the world. Do you actually think you could change the entire economy of the UK, France or India in one step?

ACA massively helped our nation. There's still work to do, but to think it impeded progress is simply and wildly mistaken.
 
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PhDeac said:
So you'd rather Mike Pence be the deciding vote in the Senate than Claire McCaskill. Well done.

How about this for a strategy? I want her to win. I want her to serve for six years. I want her to vote for an increasingly progressive agenda. I want Missouri progressives to win state and local races next week through 2022 and I want some of those winners to primary Claire and win.
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TITCR. I agree with mdmh that a progressive can win in Missouri and that McCaskill will do more harm than good over the next six years. But I also think she will do less harm than her opponent and that electing her in 2018 will make it easier for a progressive to win in Missouri in 2024. I haven’t heard mdmh, or anyone else, offer good arguments against those last two points.
 
RJKarl said:
That makes no sense. ACA is far from perfect but it has helped tens of millions of Americans. You can't change 1/7 of the entire economy at once without taking other steps first. Last year we spent over $3.2TRILLION on healthcare.

That one business would the fifth largest national GDP in the world. Do you actually think you could change the entire economy of the UK, France or India in one step?

ACA massively helped our nation. There's still work to do, but to think it impeded progress is simply and wildly mistaken.
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I am fine with continuing this discussion on the ACA thread if you want. You're not wrong, but neither am I.
 
RChildress107 said:
TITCR. I agree with mdmh that a progressive can win in Missouri and that McCaskill will do more harm than good over the next six years. But I also think she will do less harm than her opponent and that electing her in 2018 will make it easier for a progressive to win in Missouri in 2024. I haven’t heard mdmh, or anyone else, offer good arguments against those last two points.
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How will electing her, again, make it easier for a progressive to win in 2024? It won't. It's actually the opposite, it will always be more difficult for a progressive leftist Dem to defeat a sitting incumbent Dem in the primary, than for a progressive to defeat a Republican in the general. What Dems like PH and others here won't admit to is that the current Dem primary system is set up to discourage and deny progressive candidates, especially challengers to incumbents. The Democrat party is openly and blatantly hostile to incumbents being primaried - so its naive as hell to act as if that primary process is somehow the best means to moving the party left.

Fuck, you can see that in real time right now in Maryland where the Maryland Democratic party has all but forsaken Governor candidate Ben Jealous after he won the primary in an upset. Every ChrisL & shoo in Maryland is voting for moderate Republican Larry Hogan to keep their taxes down.
 
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How did it impede healthcare progress when it helped so many millions of people?
 
You couldn't end that in one bill. I wish they would have allowed Medicare to sell policies to the younger public, but even that would have been exceeding;y tough.

Let's move this part to the ACA thread and get back to talking about Trump declaring war on women and children who will have walked well over 1000 miles to reach America to live their dreams of freedom.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
How will electing her, again, make it easier for a progressive to win in 2024? It won't. It's actually the opposite, it will always be more difficult for a progressive leftist Dem to defeat a sitting incumbent Dem in the primary, than for a progressive to defeat a Republican in the general. What Dems like PH and others here won't admit to is that the current Dem primary system is set up to discourage and deny progressive candidates, especially challengers to incumbents. The Democrat party is openly and blatantly hostile to incumbents being primaried - so its naive as hell to act as if that primary process is somehow the best means to moving the party left.

Fuck, you can see that in real time right now in Maryland where the Maryland Democratic party has all but forsaken Governor candidate Ben Jealous after he won the primary in an upset. Every ChrisL & shoo in Maryland is voting for moderate Republican Larry Hogan to keep their taxes down.
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Every Shoo in Maryland is voting for Jealous -- you just can't get it. You're not mentally capable. Shoo will never, ever, in his life, vote for someone with an R next to their name. Third person, bitch.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
How will electing her, again, make it easier for a progressive to win in 2024? It won't. It's actually the opposite, it will always be more difficult for a progressive leftist Dem to defeat a sitting incumbent Dem in the primary, than for a progressive to defeat a Republican in the general. What Dems like PH and others here won't admit to is that the current Dem primary system is set up to discourage and deny progressive candidates, especially challengers to incumbents. The Democrat party is openly and blatantly hostile to incumbents being primaried - so its naive as hell to act as if that primary process is somehow the best means to moving the party left.

Fuck, you can see that in real time right now in Maryland where the Maryland Democratic party has all but forsaken Governor candidate Ben Jealous after he won the primary in an upset. Every ChrisL & shoo in Maryland is voting for moderate Republican Larry Hogan to keep their taxes down.
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So MARYLAND runs a far left progressive candidate and he is getting bitch slapped, yet Missouri is going to elect a progressive senator?

There is what you want, and there is what you can get. Anybody who wants to sabotage what they can get and end up with something worse because what they want isn't realistic is a damn fool.
 
I just looked at RCP. It's unbelievable that a Dem is down 15+% in MD.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
How will electing her, again, make it easier for a progressive to win in 2024? It won't. It's actually the opposite, it will always be more difficult for a progressive leftist Dem to defeat a sitting incumbent Dem in the primary, than for a progressive to defeat a Republican in the general. What Dems like PH and others here won't admit to is that the current Dem primary system is set up to discourage and deny progressive candidates, especially challengers to incumbents. The Democrat party is openly and blatantly hostile to incumbents being primaried - so its naive as hell to act as if that primary process is somehow the best means to moving the party left.

Fuck, you can see that in real time right now in Maryland where the Maryland Democratic party has all but forsaken Governor candidate Ben Jealous after he won the primary in an upset. Every ChrisL & shoo in Maryland is voting for moderate Republican Larry Hogan to keep their taxes down.
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yet in FL the progressive who won the primary by upsetting a legacy Dem seems to get full party support and will hopefully win the seat.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
How will electing her, again, make it easier for a progressive to win in 2024? It won't. It's actually the opposite, it will always be more difficult for a progressive leftist Dem to defeat a sitting incumbent Dem in the primary, than for a progressive to defeat a Republican in the general. What Dems like PH and others here won't admit to is that the current Dem primary system is set up to discourage and deny progressive candidates, especially challengers to incumbents. The Democrat party is openly and blatantly hostile to incumbents being primaried - so its naive as hell to act as if that primary process is somehow the best means to moving the party left.

Fuck, you can see that in real time right now in Maryland where the Maryland Democratic party has all but forsaken Governor candidate Ben Jealous after he won the primary in an upset. Every ChrisL & shoo in Maryland is voting for moderate Republican Larry Hogan to keep their taxes down.
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What MDMH doesn't understand is "Dems like PH and others" think Progressives are on the cusp of breaking up the current Dem primary system so by 2024, being a dinosaur like McCaskill will be easy. We will see the results of three elections between voting in 2018 and running in 2024.
 
Shooshmoo said:
Every Shoo in Maryland is voting for Jealous -- you just can't get it. You're not mentally capable. Shoo will never, ever, in his life, vote for someone with an R next to their name. Third person, bitch.
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The tea party has nothing to worry about as long as progressives are comprised of real geniuses like mdmh
 
Stop trying to distract me from the impending doom horde that’s coming, take it to another thread. Both progressives and democrats are doing nothing to protect us.
 
PhDeac said:
What MDMH doesn't understand is "Dems like PH and others" think Progressives are on the cusp of breaking up the current Dem primary system so by 2024, being a dinosaur like McCaskill will be easy. We will see the results of three elections between voting in 2018 and running in 2024.
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Milhouse said:
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PhDeac said:
What MDMH doesn't understand is "Dems like PH and others" think Progressives are on the cusp of breaking up the current Dem primary system so by 2024, being a dinosaur like McCaskill will be easy. We will see the results of three elections between voting in 2018 and running in 2024.
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And that might happen... I don't think it will in Missouri but it might... But if it doesn't it still is preferable to have a Centrist Dem in the seat over a Republican now and then
 
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