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The New Socialists

AsesinoDeTortugas said:
I mean other than the enormous difference of who controls means of production.

But the distinction isn’t relevant because, and I’ll say it super loud for the people in the back: WE DO NOT WANT TO BECOME A PURE SOCIALIST COUNTRY, WE PRETTY MUCH JUST WANT HEALTHCARE AND A BETTER SOCIAL SAFETY NET AND TO REDUCE RAMPANT INCOME INEQUALITY
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True. But to conservatives, better healthcare and a better social safety net equates to socialism, which equates to communism. And they'll be happy to tell you so, over and over and over...
 
Easier to make a meme of AOC with a hammer and sickle in MS Paint than learn about it
 
PhDeac said:
Disagreeing with something doesn’t make it a fantasy.
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As usual, you are putting the cart before the horse. I am disagreeing with it because it is a fantasy. Politics is the "art of the possible." Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Green New Deal is a SJW fantasy bundled under a blanket of environmental concern.
 
Highland Deac said:
True. But to conservatives, better healthcare and a better social safety net equates to socialism, which equates to communism. And they'll be happy to tell you so, over and over and over...
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you are like the idiot who joins the National Socialists because he wants the trains to run on time
 
Highland Deac said:
Indeed. So, are right-wingers saying that socialism = communism, or what? There seems to be a great deal of throwing about words and labels that really aren't the same thing. Kind of like how many right-wingers have labeled Democrats as socialists (and since they're socialists, they also must be communists!), and that's been going on for decades, not just recently.
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Communism is the end goal of socialism.
 
"Nazis were socialist" is an easy tell for morons. Read a fucking book.
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
I mean other than the enormous difference of who controls means of production.

But the distinction isn’t relevant because, and I’ll say it super loud for the people in the back: WE DO NOT WANT TO BECOME A PURE SOCIALIST COUNTRY, WE PRETTY MUCH JUST WANT HEALTHCARE AND A BETTER SOCIAL SAFETY NET AND TO REDUCE RAMPANT INCOME INEQUALITY
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So then why do you call yourselves socialist and say things like the era of capitalism is over?
 
WFcatamount22 said:
Not real socialism, it will work better next time.

Also in all seriousness the Nazis more or less ran a nationalized socialist economy. http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/cap...storicalGermanAccounts/BuchheimScherner06.pdf
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Did you read your link?

Available sources make perfectly clear that the Nazi regime did not want at all a German economy with public ownership of many or all enterprises. Therefore it generally had no intention whatso-ever of nationalizing private firms or creating state firms. On the con-trary the reprivatization of enterprises was furthered wherever possible.
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I’ll throw this here.

Why are millennials burned out? Capitalism.
Author Malcolm Harris on why millennials need a revolution.
https://www.vox.com/2019/2/4/18185383/millennials-capitalism-burned-out-malcolm-harris

https://cdn-vox--cdn-com.cdn.amppro..._asset/file/13726464/productivity_pay_gap.jpg

Sean Illing

The key variable you emphasize in the book is the divergence between productivity and compensation — or the fact that people are working harder while wages aren’t going up. Why is this such an important data point for you? And how has it altered the day-to-day life of millennials?

Malcolm Harris

I think it’s crucial. Marxists would refer to this as an increase in the rate of exploitation, meaning workers are working longer, harder, and more efficiently but are receiving less and less in return. I reference Marxism here (even though his name never appears in the book) because conventional American economists don’t really have a term for this — it’s not something they like to talk about because they don’t recognize that capitalism is built on exploitation.

But it is a defining shift in our society, and millennials have been forced to grow up and enter the labor market under these dynamics, and we’ve internalized this drive to produce as much as we can for as little as possible. That means we take on the costs of training ourselves (including student debt), we take on the costs of managing ourselves as freelancers or contract workers, because that’s what capital is looking for.

And because wages are stagnant and exploitation is up, competition among workers is up too. As individuals, the best thing we can do for ourselves is work harder, learn to code, etc. But we’re not individuals, not as far as bosses are concerned. The vast majority of us are (replaceable) workers, and by working harder for less, we’re undermining ourselves as a class. It’s a vicious cycle
 
sailordeac said:
As usual, you are putting the cart before the horse. I am disagreeing with it because it is a fantasy. Politics is the "art of the possible." Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Green New Deal is a SJW fantasy bundled under a blanket of environmental concern.
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So what makes it a fantasy? Show your work.
 
The flip side to productivity is up and compensation is down is because productivity isn’t actually tied to working harder, most jobs are easier than ever.
 
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