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Possible Wake Forest Coaching Candidates Analysis

PhDeac said:
Not getting my hopes up. Would be surprised if Wes isn’t heavily rumored within 3 days of the firing.
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not getting my hopes up. would be surprised if manning is even fired. :tear::tear::tear::tear::eek:hnoes::eek:hnoes::sick:
 
buckets said:
Kevin really stayed in playing shape

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Man, that dude has really aged.
 
MichDeac25 said:
Man, that dude has really aged.
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He got 25 years older in 15 years. By comparison, look at pictures of CP then and now. He grew a beard and gained some muscle. That's about it.
 
daaberry said:
Much prefer Oats over Matta, but certainly wouldn't be disappointed if Thad ended up with the job. I just worry that Ronny Boy swings and misses a bunch of times to bring in some underwhelming guy like R. Turner
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Nah, Matta is a proven commodity, has recruited in a major conference and has a 2 final four appearances to his name. Oats is having two good years at a midmajor school and would still be a risky hire.
 
greekdeac2011 said:
Nah, Matta is a proven commodity, has recruited in a major conference and has a 2 final four appearances to his name. Oats is having two good years at a midmajor school and would still be a risky hire.
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Matta will also get paid $1.2 million + to sit on his couch next season as long as he looks for a job - so whomever contacts him behind the scenes had better be able to gauge his interest, unless we want to delay our public search by a few days and take the embarrassment of being turned down publicly
 
There is risk with any hire.

In addition to Matta's back troubles, his recruiting at tOSU tailed off at the end of his run, and that was recruiting to tOSU, not WF. His last two years at tOSU, they lost in the NIT second round (2016), and in 2017, his season/tOSU career ended with a thud, in a loss to Rutgers in the opening round of the Big 10 tournament (tOSU finished the 2017 season on a 7-12 run). I get the attraction to Matta, but there is no guarantee that we would be hiring the 2007 Thad Matta rather than the 2017 Thad Matta.

This is where the person/people making the decision are so important. They conduct the interviews, perform the background checks, talk to former assistants, players, ADs and whatever else it takes to figure out who the candidate really is at the moment and moving forward. All of those due diligence tasks are so important before hiring a key person. We just rely on a candidates public resume (his record and whatever is publicly reported about a coach), and while that tells a lot, the due diligence process is the key to making the right decision (or at least maximizing the likelihood that the right decision was made). None of us have any idea if Thad Matta is driven to be the coach he was 10 years ago, or if he is just looking to collect pay checks, while satifying his fix for a little competition.
 
I guess I just don't get the Oats appeal in the sense that people think he will be a slam dunk and provide instant credibility. Sure, I would be happy with the initial hire, but he will carry the same risks any coach coming from the midmajors will carry. I honestly expect to get either he nor Matta, and I wouldn't be shocked if Manning is back next year, especially if we win 5-6 ACC games. I think we win at least 1 more and have a chance in the ACCT against a bottom feeder.
 
greekdeac2011 said:
I guess I just don't get the Oats appeal in the sense that people think he will be a slam dunk and provide instant credibility. Sure, I would be happy with the initial hire, but he will carry the same risks any coach coming from the midmajors will carry. I honestly expect to get either he nor Matta, and I wouldn't be shocked if Manning is back next year, especially if we win 5-6 ACC games. I think we win at least 1 more and have a chance in the ACCT against a bottom feeder.
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Wellman is even worse at his job than many people here believe if snatching a meaningless win or two at the end of another lost season makes any impact on the decision to part ways with Manning. We can win at Duke and he shouldn't bat an eye the day after the season ends in telling him to pack his shit up.

Oats presents himself as having a great knowledge of the game and what it takes to motivate kids at this level to be winners. This year will be his 3rd NCAA tournament appearance in 4 seasons. I've never met him, but he comes across as a guy that would love to take on a challenge such as coaching a small school on Tobacco Road trying to compete with the giants of the industry.

I personally don't see any reason that Wellman should not be able to bag Oats and thus the reason why my coaching search list starts and ends with one guy. No reason to get cute and see if Billy Donovan wants the job and no reason to approach Oats will a low ball bullshit offer. Go convince the man that he is wanted and he has the support of the school to build a winning program.

If that happens and Chill, Hoard, Sarr, Brown, and Mucius are all on the roster, I expect Wake to be a bubble team in year one of the Oats era.
 
I don't get why people think coaches like Oats or Prohm are not attainable for Wake Forest. You have to shoot your shot and go after these guys.

Prohm is getting $2.0 million a year at Iowa State. Its not a ton of money, last coaching search apparently money wasn't an issue. Have any of you been to Iowa State? It sucks, in every possible way. Prohm is from the Southeast, and could come here to play in a better conference, with more prestige, while making more money, and being closer to where he is from. Seems like a lot of positives with the only negatives being you have to compete with good programs like Duke, UNC, and UVA. I want a coach sees that competition as a positive.

Oats is making $600,000 a year. Wayyyy less than we can pay. He is recruiting to Buffalo, NY to a school that cannot even come close to Wake Forest in facilities, campus environment, location, conference prestige, etc. Oats should easily take our offer unless we get outbid by a better job, which I would put at less than a 50% chance.

The problem is 1. Does Wellman or who ever is in charge this time even reach out to them? and 2. Does Wellman or whoever is in charge come in with a strong offer and not fuck things up?

I think if you offer Prohm $3mil a year to come here, we get him. I also think if you offer Oats between $2-2.5 million a year we can get him. And I'm still interested in John Brannen, and I'd bet he'd come here for $1.5 million a year. I don't know the budget, because almost no one knows Manning's buyout. But whatever the budget is, there are good coaches available that will want to come here.

To think Wake Forest can't attract a good coach right now is so LOWF. We have brand new, top of the line facilities thanks to Shah and CP3, which maybe 20 other schools can offer right now. We play in the #1 conference for college basketball. We have a young roster with some nice pieces on it if everyone comes back and Massoud comes in. CP3, AFA, John Collins, Teague, Ish, and James Johnson are all still in the NBA. It's way easier to recruit to Wake Forest than to Buffalo or Northern Kentucky. I just don't get these people saying "we have no shot at Prohm." "we have no shot at Oats." These same people have no sources or facts to back those statements up, but its negative shit like that being put out by Wake's own fan base that explains why shitbags like Wellman still have a job at Wake. Start expecting and demanding more from the basketball program.
 
Netflix,

Good take. FWIW, I don't think many or perhaps any people here think that Oats would prefer to stay in Buffalo than coach at WF. If it comes down to staying Buffalo for $600K or coming to WF for $2 million, Oats is coming to WF.

I think the concern is that Oats is the hot name out there, and every other Power 6 school with an opening (which could include UCLA, Arizona, West Virginia, Texas A&M, Arkansas, OK State, Nebraska, Minnesota there will be others maybe even a surprise like Syracuse, close to Buffalo) will be bidding on Oats. Given the uncertainty about available funds in light of Manning's uncertain buyout terms, and WF's on-court struggles for the last decade, at least some of those jobs could be more attractive to Oats. As for Prohm, I agree that WF has to see if there is interest, but they are going to make the NCAAs again this year, and could make a run. He would have the leverage for a raise from Iowa State and/or attract offers from every other Power 6 program with an opening.

If WF is one of only a few Power 6 openings, then WF will have leverage in a coaching search, but if there are multiple openings (as there are almost every year), there is no certainty that WF will be in position to simply select the coach among all of the best options.
 
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netflixnchildres said:
I don't get why people think coaches like Oats or Prohm are not attainable for Wake Forest. You have to shoot your shot and go after these guys.

Prohm is getting $2.0 million a year at Iowa State. Its not a ton of money, last coaching search apparently money wasn't an issue. Have any of you been to Iowa State? It sucks, in every possible way. Prohm is from the Southeast, and could come here to play in a better conference, with more prestige, while making more money, and being closer to where he is from. Seems like a lot of positives with the only negatives being you have to compete with good programs like Duke, UNC, and UVA. I want a coach sees that competition as a positive.

Oats is making $600,000 a year. Wayyyy less than we can pay. He is recruiting to Buffalo, NY to a school that cannot even come close to Wake Forest in facilities, campus environment, location, conference prestige, etc. Oats should easily take our offer unless we get outbid by a better job, which I would put at less than a 50% chance.

The problem is 1. Does Wellman or who ever is in charge this time even reach out to them? and 2. Does Wellman or whoever is in charge come in with a strong offer and not fuck things up?

I think if you offer Prohm $3mil a year to come here, we get him. I also think if you offer Oats between $2-2.5 million a year we can get him. And I'm still interested in John Brannen, and I'd bet he'd come here for $1.5 million a year. I don't know the budget, because almost no one knows Manning's buyout. But whatever the budget is, there are good coaches available that will want to come here.

To think Wake Forest can't attract a good coach right now is so LOWF. We have brand new, top of the line facilities thanks to Shah and CP3, which maybe 20 other schools can offer right now. We play in the #1 conference for college basketball. We have a young roster with some nice pieces on it if everyone comes back and Massoud comes in. CP3, AFA, John Collins, Teague, Ish, and James Johnson are all still in the NBA. It's way easier to recruit to Wake Forest than to Buffalo or Northern Kentucky. I just don't get these people saying "we have no shot at Prohm." "we have no shot at Oats." These same people have no sources or facts to back those statements up, but its negative shit like that being put out by Wake's own fan base that explains why shitbags like Wellman still have a job at Wake. Start expecting and demanding more from the basketball program.
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Great post.
 
Sadly we don’t have an AD who can take advantage of our advantages.
 
Netflix is on target. Eliminating outstanding coaches from consideration by not approaching them is the reason that the university is considered "little old wake forest". The most frequent reason for failure is that there is no attempt to succeed. Fear of failure.
 
netflixnchildres said:
I don't get why people think coaches like Oats or Prohm are not attainable for Wake Forest. You have to shoot your shot and go after these guys.

Prohm is getting $2.0 million a year at Iowa State. Its not a ton of money, last coaching search apparently money wasn't an issue. Have any of you been to Iowa State? It sucks, in every possible way. Prohm is from the Southeast, and could come here to play in a better conference, with more prestige, while making more money, and being closer to where he is from. Seems like a lot of positives with the only negatives being you have to compete with good programs like Duke, UNC, and UVA. I want a coach sees that competition as a positive.

Oats is making $600,000 a year. Wayyyy less than we can pay. He is recruiting to Buffalo, NY to a school that cannot even come close to Wake Forest in facilities, campus environment, location, conference prestige, etc. Oats should easily take our offer unless we get outbid by a better job, which I would put at less than a 50% chance.

The problem is 1. Does Wellman or who ever is in charge this time even reach out to them? and 2. Does Wellman or whoever is in charge come in with a strong offer and not fuck things up?

I think if you offer Prohm $3mil a year to come here, we get him. I also think if you offer Oats between $2-2.5 million a year we can get him. And I'm still interested in John Brannen, and I'd bet he'd come here for $1.5 million a year. I don't know the budget, because almost no one knows Manning's buyout. But whatever the budget is, there are good coaches available that will want to come here.

To think Wake Forest can't attract a good coach right now is so LOWF. We have brand new, top of the line facilities thanks to Shah and CP3, which maybe 20 other schools can offer right now. We play in the #1 conference for college basketball. We have a young roster with some nice pieces on it if everyone comes back and Massoud comes in. CP3, AFA, John Collins, Teague, Ish, and James Johnson are all still in the NBA. It's way easier to recruit to Wake Forest than to Buffalo or Northern Kentucky. I just don't get these people saying "we have no shot at Prohm." "we have no shot at Oats." These same people have no sources or facts to back those statements up, but its negative shit like that being put out by Wake's own fan base that explains why shitbags like Wellman still have a job at Wake. Start expecting and demanding more from the basketball program.
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I have been to Iowa State and I would not say it "sucks in every possible way". Now would I want to spend the rest of my years in Ames? No. Is the Dash a way better situation, yes. But Iowa State has a really nice campus and Ames is a cool college town - albeit just not conveniently located near much of anything. Wake could attract a really good coach, that much is for sure.
 
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