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Retired US Soccer / World Cup Thread (RIP)

So only athletes who have been in that exact situation can have an opinion? That's dumb. It's not THAT different from everything else
 
wsc8521s said:
So only athletes who have been in that exact situation can have an opinion? That's dumb. It's not THAT different from everything else
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Well any other opinion is pretty uniformed by actual experience, so it should be judged accordingly.
 
similar to opinions espoused here regarding recruiting or coaching as an ACC head coach, or personnel or other decisions made by an ACC Athletic Director, or how the President of a major university (or for that matter, a country) should react under various circumstances, I suppose
 
DistrictDeacon said:
Well any other opinion is pretty uniformed by actual experience, so it should be judged accordingly.
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I imagine many here have actual experience playing in an important game in which one team beat the hell out of the other and either let off the gas and/or didn't celebrate like banshees or the opposite. That experience is relevant to this discussion.
 
Buttermaker said:
I imagine many here have actual experience playing in an important game in which one team beat the hell out of the other and either let off the gas and/or didn't celebrate like banshees or the opposite. That experience is relevant to this discussion.
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Yeah - but were they playing in the World Cup? Rec league beatdowns don't count.
 
Anybody remember this goal?



I believe this was Johannson's first goal for the US and he knew the US didn't need the goal and was soul crushing for Panama (who completely shat the bed thinking they needed a win when in fact, they just needed a tie to keep Mexico out of the World Cup. If it finishes 2-2, then Panama would have played a playoff against, I think New Zealand to make their first World Cup.
 
2-2 and Panama would've been out. The equalizer moments before was what changed things.

To no one's surprise Mexico didn't help us out when the shoe was on the other foot. Fuck Zusi for crossing for the equalizer
 
wsc8521s said:
2-2 and Panama would've been out. The equalizer moments before was what changed things.

To no one's surprise Mexico didn't help us out when the shoe was on the other foot. Fuck Zusi for crossing for the equalizer
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You're right. But Panama was playing forward inexplicably up 2-1. That was the eternal fuck up. Panama was coached by twin dudes, if I recall, which was weird. I noticed that when they made their first cup, the twins were gone ...
 
All of the counter arguments to what I'm saying stem from the belief that what others think and feel about you should determine how you act. That is certainly true when it involves following the rules of the game, or the law of a country, or anything you might do to intentionally harm someone else. That doesn't apply here at all. The idea that it's ok to score as much as you can but not to celebrate being "respectful" to the opponent is simply balderdash. The idea that it's ok to celebrate a goal if it's your first world cup goal, but not after is lame. The idea that what the USWNT does on the pitch to be "respectful " to opponents will determine how the opponent acts toward the USWNT is simply naive. If the USWNT had behaved in a way that was truly disrespectful ( ie demonstrating at the opponent on the pitch, confronting or taunting them, or disparaging them verbally before during or after the match) that would have been awful, unsporting and worthy of all criticism. But that's not what happened. I understand the point of view that most of you younger than me comes from. You're entitled to your opinion just like I am, and there's a massive shift worldwide toward social awareness and compassion toward "victims", underprivileged or less accomplished for lack of a better description. Those types of challenges are part of real life. If you have compassion for those folks that's great. But no blame should necessarily fixed on others in a situation like the World Cup tournament. The USWNT has no ability or responsibility to enhance the competitiveness of an opponent. Our opponents hopefully have the same mission our team has. Play your best, advance, win the trophy if you can, and appreciate the experience no matter what. If anything, the USWNT program has done more to advance Women's soccer worldwide than any other effort. If you're going to convince me to agree, you need a better example than this. If the USWNT doesn't cheat, plays honestly and fairly on the pitch, and accepts penalties and misfortune with resolve, they have nothing to apologize for. Nothing.
 
wsc8521s said:
2-2 and Panama would've been out. The equalizer moments before was what changed things.

To no one's surprise Mexico didn't help us out when the shoe was on the other foot. Fuck Zusi for crossing for the equalizer
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Didn't Zusi score it on a header where he had a 36 in vertical? I don't think Mexico calls him San Zusi just for crossing it
 
jaybone said:
You're right. But Panama was playing forward inexplicably up 2-1. That was the eternal fuck up. Panama was coached by twin dudes, if I recall, which was weird. I noticed that when they made their first cup, the twins were gone ...
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They did a good job elevating the program. Baseball had been the absolute king in Panama for a long time
 
Screamindemon3 said:
Didn't Zusi score it on a header where he had a 36 in vertical? I don't think Mexico calls him San Zusi just for crossing it
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That's right, my b, makes more sense and why I remember him as well. Brad Davis with the cross
 
wsc8521s said:
That's right, my b, makes more sense and why I remember him as well. Brad Davis with the cross
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What's sad is that we used to win with Graham Zusi and Brad Davis. Theres 0% chance we win in Panama if the match is played tomorrow
 
Fusiondad10 said:
All of the counter arguments to what I'm saying stem from the belief that what others think and feel about you should determine how you act. That is certainly true when it involves following the rules of the game, or the law of a country, or anything you might do to intentionally harm someone else. That doesn't apply here at all. The idea that it's ok to score as much as you can but not to celebrate being "respectful" to the opponent is simply balderdash. The idea that it's ok to celebrate a goal if it's your first world cup goal, but not after is lame. The idea that what the USWNT does on the pitch to be "respectful " to opponents will determine how the opponent acts toward the USWNT is simply naive. If the USWNT had behaved in a way that was truly disrespectful ( ie demonstrating at the opponent on the pitch, confronting or taunting them, or disparaging them verbally before during or after the match) that would have been awful, unsporting and worthy of all criticism. But that's not what happened. I understand the point of view that most of you younger than me comes from. You're entitled to your opinion just like I am, and there's a massive shift worldwide toward social awareness and compassion toward "victims", underprivileged or less accomplished for lack of a better description. Those types of challenges are part of real life. If you have compassion for those folks that's great. But no blame should necessarily fixed on others in a situation like the World Cup tournament. The USWNT has no ability or responsibility to enhance the competitiveness of an opponent. Our opponents hopefully have the same mission our team has. Play your best, advance, win the trophy if you can, and appreciate the experience no matter what. If anything, the USWNT program has done more to advance Women's soccer worldwide than any other effort. If you're going to convince me to agree, you need a better example than this. If the USWNT doesn't cheat, plays honestly and fairly on the pitch, and accepts penalties and misfortune with resolve, they have nothing to apologize for. Nothing.
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Mam, this is Wendys
 
Fusiondad10 said:
All of the counter arguments to what I'm saying stem from the belief that what others think and feel about you should determine how you act. That is certainly true when it involves following the rules of the game, or the law of a country, or anything you might do to intentionally harm someone else. That doesn't apply here at all. The idea that it's ok to score as much as you can but not to celebrate being "respectful" to the opponent is simply balderdash. The idea that it's ok to celebrate a goal if it's your first world cup goal, but not after is lame. The idea that what the USWNT does on the pitch to be "respectful " to opponents will determine how the opponent acts toward the USWNT is simply naive. If the USWNT had behaved in a way that was truly disrespectful ( ie demonstrating at the opponent on the pitch, confronting or taunting them, or disparaging them verbally before during or after the match) that would have been awful, unsporting and worthy of all criticism. But that's not what happened. I understand the point of view that most of you younger than me comes from. You're entitled to your opinion just like I am, and there's a massive shift worldwide toward social awareness and compassion toward "victims", underprivileged or less accomplished for lack of a better description. Those types of challenges are part of real life. If you have compassion for those folks that's great. But no blame should necessarily fixed on others in a situation like the World Cup tournament. The USWNT has no ability or responsibility to enhance the competitiveness of an opponent. Our opponents hopefully have the same mission our team has. Play your best, advance, win the trophy if you can, and appreciate the experience no matter what. If anything, the USWNT program has done more to advance Women's soccer worldwide than any other effort. If you're going to convince me to agree, you need a better example than this. If the USWNT doesn't cheat, plays honestly and fairly on the pitch, and accepts penalties and misfortune with resolve, they have nothing to apologize for. Nothing.
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But will the PC media do anything about it?

NAH
 
TownieDeac said:
But will the PC media do anything about it?

NAH
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When you can't understand something, or can't make your own argument on the "discussion" board, it's a great idea to just try to be funny so the other folks will think you're clever. If that doesn't work just call the other poster a nasty name because then folks will think you're tough. Good luck!
 
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