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The 2019 College Football Thread ! LSU NATIONAL CHAMPIONS ! CLEMSON SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!

PhDeac said:
So you’re worried the process of determining the best team is going to leave the best team at home. How do you know who the best team is before you determine who the best team is? You’re stuck with a bunch of guesses rather than just having a straightforward process without ambiguity. Georgia is free to try to join the ACC if they don’t think they can win the SEC to make it to the championship.
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Georgia won the SEC in 2017 and lost in the National Championship game to the best team. They both lost late season games to another very good team in the same conference that they both play ever year, but just happens to be in Alabama's division and won the last BCS championship.

How do you not have ambiguity when there's not balance between the strength of the conferences ?

If you're a conference champion and people think you're not one of the best eight teams in the nation, that's on you and your shitty conference, not the selection committee. Take the best eight teams and let everybody else fight it out in the Belk Bowl.

I appreciate that you're trying to pave a path for Wake to get into the playoff at 9-4 some year, but it's nonsensical.
 
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BiffTannen said:
Georgia won the SEC in 2017 and lost in the National Championship game to the best team. They both lost late season games to another very good team in the same conference that they both play ever year, but just happens to be in Alabama's division and won the last BCS championship.

How do you not have ambiguity when there's not balance between the strength of the conferences ?

If you're a conference champion and people think you're not one of the best eight teams in the nation, that's on you and your shitty conference, not the selection committee. Take the best eight teams and let everybody else fight it out in the Belk Bowl.

I appreciate that you're trying to pave a path for Wake to get into the playoff at 9-4 some year, but it's nonsensical.
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I'm trying to come up with a straight forward process that settles it on the field, not in people's minds.
 
Yeah, and when you're an fan of 1-loss Ohio State or LSU team sitting at home watching Minnesota and Utah with 6 losses between them battle it out in a quarterfinal, I'm sure you'll be cool with it.
 
Minnesota presumably beat Ohio State to get there. You seem to want a system that corrects the results on the field if they don't line up with your Biff rankings.
 
PhDeac said:
Minnesota presumably beat Ohio State to get there. You seem to want a system that corrects the results on the field if they don't line up with your Biff rankings.
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Not if Penn State beats Ohio State. And that was all hypothetical, but completely possible.
 
Fortunately there are four weeks of competition to separate the contenders from pretenders. History suggests there will not be a team with two or more losses, nor will there be a G5 team. Clemson, Baylor, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Penn State, Minnesota, Oregon, Utah, Georgia, LSU and Alabama are the P5 teams that remain. That number will dwindle and competition will focus the worth of the teams that survive. Until then it's all talk.
 
DeacsATS said:
Not taking a side here, but perhaps worth noting that UVA didn't even play in the ACC Basketball Championship game last season (Duke beat FSU), yet won the NCAA Tourney.

That happens all of the time in college hoops.

I understand there are less games in college football, and that single-game results should (in theory, at least) matter more.
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The FiveThirtyEight website has a great article up on how often the best on-paper team wins a championship across the major sports. As you can guess, it happens more often in the NFL than in the others.
 
tagsfan said:
The FiveThirtyEight website has a great article up on how often the best on-paper team wins a championship across the major sports. As you can guess, it happens more often in the NFL than in the others.
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I would have guessed the NBA was the league where the best team usually wins. 7 game series and less flukiness than baseball (pitching matchups) and hockey (low scoring). 1 game and done in football, I would think, lends itself to upsets. And (obviously) the NCAA tourney has to be near the bottom given virtually anything can happen in a single basketball game.
 
The 2019 College Football Thread ! LSU Leads Bama !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

DeacsATS said:
I would have guessed the NBA was the league where the best team usually wins. 7 game series and less flukiness than baseball (pitching matchups) and hockey (low scoring). 1 game and done in football, I would think, lends itself to upsets. And (obviously) the NCAA tourney has to be near the bottom given virtually anything can happen in a single basketball game.
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The NBA is kind of fluky in that only 5 players play at a time. The best full squad may not play together much during the regular season but peak in the playoffs or vice versa. Perhaps more importantly the best team doesn’t matter as much as having the best player or at least a player who can slow down Lebron.
 
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No. 1 LSU
No. 2 Ohio State
No. 3 Clemson
No. 4 Georgia

No. 5 Alabama
No. 6 Oregon

7 Utah
8 Minnesota
9 Penn State
10 Oklahoma
11 Florida
12 Auburn
13 Baylor
14 Wisconsin
15 Michigan
16 Notre Dame
17 Cincinnati
18 Memphis
19 Texas
20 Iowa
21 Boise State
22 Oklahoma State
23 Navy
24 Kansas State
25 App State

No Wake Forest or any other ACC team besides #3 Clemson.
 
I didn't watch the show but it looks like the committe will forgive a loss, especially a bad loss, if you go out and play somebody. So Georgia's wins over ND and Florida somewhat offset the loss to USC. Likewise, Alabama punished for not playing anybody OOC.

Looks like they really don't like the top of the Big 12, but want to keep Texas around for some reason.

Michigan is only one slot ahead of ND and one slot behind Wisconsin, whih is interesting based on score differentials.
 
I don't see much of a chance for the Big 12. I think they're getting killed becasue of Baylor's offense and OU's defense. Maybe if one beats the other twice in the next month they have a shot, but with the teams ranked as low as they are right now I don't see how they get past the PAC 12 champion unless Oregon or Utah stumbles. Utah has a rotten schedule.
 
Baylor beat Rice 21-13 two weeks after we beat Rice 41-21 and a week after Texas beat Rice 48-13.
 
PhDeac said:
The NBA is kind of fluky in that only 5 players play at a time. The best full squad may not play together much during the regular season but peak in the playoffs or vice versa. Perhaps more importantly the best team doesn’t matter as much as having the best player or at least a player who can slow down Lebron.
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Not sure what you mean.

Less players, in my mind, would mean less volatility in results... But I guess an injury matters more?

NBA Champions:
2019 - Toronto - 2 seed
2018 - GSW - 2 seed
2017 - GSW - 1 seed
2016 - Cleveland - 1 seed
2015 - GSW - 1 seed
2014 - San Antonio - 1 seed
2013 - Miami - 1 seed
2012 - Miami - 2 seed
2011 - Dallas - 3 seed
2010 - LAL - 1 seed
2009 - LAL - 1 seed
2008 - Boston - 1 seed

I don't see a lot of fluky champions on that list.
 
I didn’t see the 538 link either but you said it was about THE best team winning not one of the best teams.

Obviously one of the top two or three teams generally wins the NBA Championship but THE top team? Not so much.
 
PhDeac said:
I didn’t see the 538 link either but you said it was about THE best team winning not one of the best teams.

Obviously one of the top two or three teams generally wins the NBA Championship but THE top team? Not so much.
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I'd argue that if the NBA champion comes from one of the top few seeds, they were probably THE top team. A few games of difference over an 82 game regular season doesn't mean much to me (GSW #2 vs HOU #1 a couple of years ago, for example)... Getting through the playoffs tells me who that best team is.

Feels to me like a wild card team in the NFL can "get hot" and win a Super Bowl... I don't see that happening in the NBA.

But we might just be arguing different points.
 
I agree with that. I was trying to explain the results and gave the explanation that made sense.
 
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