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Donald Impeachment

Come on now. Actual elephants are far smarter than most of the current GOP.
 
Pubs rallying...Sondland only admitting he “presumed” (irrelevant) the QPQ, not that he heard from anyone it was policy.


Jesus.
 
Shooshmoo said:
A conversation that happened several weeks after the whistleblower complaint, and, you know, months after the July 25 call. Not CYA at all. The GOP thinks everyone is an idiot and, lucky for them, everyone in their base is an idiot.
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I don't think that is accurate. The call apparently took place on July 26.
 
WakeForestRanger said:
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assuming this thing ends up in the senate what are the odds that mulvaney, bolton, pompeo, guliani, trump, and pence testify? or any combination of these upstanding citizens? like who gets to make that call, what happens if they decline, etc.?
 
They won't get called by the Turtle. But Don, Jr., Ivanka and KellyAnne might.
 
bmoneydeac said:
assuming this thing ends up in the senate what are the odds that mulvaney, bolton, pompeo, guliani, trump, and pence testify? or any combination of these upstanding citizens? like who gets to make that call, what happens if they decline, etc.?
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0 for trump or pence. Higher for mulvaney and bolton. Curious to see how hard democrats will want to push them re: subpoena enforcement power, inherent or in court. Their testimony might be what is actually needed to move towards removal. I think mulvaney would lie his ass off though.

Rudy is so crazy I'm not sure either side would want him there.
 
bmoneydeac said:
assuming this thing ends up in the senate what are the odds that mulvaney, bolton, pompeo, guliani, trump, and pence testify? or any combination of these upstanding citizens? like who gets to make that call, what happens if they decline, etc.?
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RJKarl said:
They won't get called by the Turtle. But Don, Jr., Ivanka and KellyAnne might.
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Dems can call and subpoena their own witnesses during an impeachment trial.
 
What is stopping McConnell from just throwing out the trial altogether? He would church it up with the veneer of getting back to work for veterans or some bullshit.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
What is stopping McConnell from just throwing out the trial altogether? He would church it up with the veneer of getting back to work for veterans or some bullshit.
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Right. Nothing prevents him from throwing the trial out altogether anymore than anything prevented him from refusing to hold a vote on Garland. They're both constitutional obligations IMO and there's no reason he can't just use the same reasoning he used with Garland: that it's an election year so let's just let the people vote instead. Remarkably he's claimed that he feels he'd have to hold a trial. Now why, I have no idea since again I think it's the same situation as the Garland vote. Similarly, no reason to believe he won't just change his mind when he realizes that the trial would be a shitshow leading up to the election but he's only going to hold the trial IMO if he believes that there is political gain for the Republicans.

I was never a big institutionalist from a political science perspective until the last few years has really underscored how fragile a system our constitutional government is. It relies on good faith from most actors and enduring institutions. When these fall apart they create a "constitutional crisis" because everyone realizes that the constitution is not just a self-executing document: it relies on people to enforce. Once politicians (mostly Republicans recently but Democrats have certainly played along with executive orders and gerrymandering for instance) erode enough of these institutions I really believe we're going to be a crossroads where the concept of a revolution against the current form of government is not even that farfetched. And I don't mean that it's going to be a bloody revolution, just a revolution where there's a major push to reform the current government as we know it.

First past the post voting in single-member districts is just an absurd way to elect a legislature especially if you're not going to have non-partisan or bi-partisan mechanisms in effect - with actual enforcement - to ensure that the electoral process isn't intentionally skewed by the majority power.
 
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