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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

thatguy2016 said:
Did Bernie know the rules for this 2020 Iowa Caucus? If he did, he should have tried to get more delegates as Pete apparently did

then, after the Caucus is over, everyone can try to get the rules changed for next time if they so desire
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PhDeac said:
That’s how it works.

If the current results hold, I would hope reasonable people could just call it a tie and move on. That may be asking too much though.
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ImTheCaptain said:
yeah i don't understand the whining. Didn't we all learn about this problem in 2016 when Hillary lost?
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Nah I’m not disputing the results just saying the format is dumb. Like Pete in the video, and you guys before the results came in. Just make it easy, like one vote = one vote, all primaries same day, candidate with most votes wins. Much like the dumb electoral college why are we relying on founding father syphilitic nonsense?
 
Section2mankini said:
What's your problem with Glenn Greenwald? His exposing corruption in the Brazilian government under threat of his life? Or probably the Ed Snowden thing. I see a fierce investigative journalist who literally risks his own life to expose corruption at the highest levels of government. Whatever your political affiliation, we need more journalists like him.
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Agreed.
 
Remember when Rush Limbaugh said that Krystal Ball had posed nude as a teenager and posted the pictures to social media ?
 
BiffTannen said:
I think it's a pretty funny meme, but I grew up watching The Count so it's a bit more nuanced for me.
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He's a vampire that counts. Unclear how much nuance is in the character.
 
TownieDeac said:
Nah I’m not disputing the results just saying the format is dumb. Like Pete in the video, and you guys before the results came in. Just make it easy, like one vote = one vote, all primaries same day, candidate with most votes wins. Much like the dumb electoral college why are we relying on founding father syphilitic nonsense?
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I still don't get the argument. We lost because Hillary was trying to run up the score on popular votes and she forgot to play the game that could actually win. Pete would prefer to go with the popular vote, but it looks like he actually won Iowa based on how they keep score. Don't we want a nominee who will win the game with the current rules then change the rules to be more democratic?
 
Shadow Inc. was launched by ACRONYM, a nonprofit corporation founded in 2017 by Tara McGowan, a political strategist who runs companies aimed at promoting Democratic candidates and priorities. McGowan, 34, is married to Michael Halle, a senior strategist for Pete Buttigieg’s presidential campaign, which records show has also paid Shadow Inc. $42,500 for software.
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https://apnews.com/5232ce5601996c1de440806ad30fa4fb

Rig: manage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.

Yes I watched it and I believe it. It's past incompetence at this point. It's been over 48 hours since the results should've come out. I tried to withhold judgment for as long as I could because it brings me no pleasure to criticize our institutions. It hurts whoever the nominee ends up being, and that only hurts our chances to defeat Trump. But defeating Trump is not the end-all, be-all if the institutions for picking our nominee is this incompetent, corrupt, rigged (pick your adjective).

First, the app malfunctions. Let's just call that gross incompetence and the McGowan-Halle ties just your everyday politics-as-usual corruption (which in a sane world would be talked about non-stop). Then the IDC decides to release an arbitrary 62%, and now 71% of the voter count, with zero transparency and what appears to be cherry-picking of the results (I'll attach the tweet). Then the DNC announces that it's "taking over" the accounting of the votes (link below). The same DNC that took $20 million from the Hillary campaign when it was $2 million in debt and gave her control over its operations in 2016? The same DNC that just changed the rules to allow Bloomberg on the debate stage after his $300k donation to the DNC? Come the fuck on.

Thank God the Sanders campaign had the foresight to ask their own volunteers to keep track of the results without telling the IDP or the DNC. My growing suspicion, as much as it pains me to say, is that the DNC and the IDP are either (1) intentionally delaying releasing the results at an arbitrary point to prop up Pete, or more cynically, are (2) trying to manipulate the results in a way that doesn't clash with the Sander's campaign's internal polling. Please provide me with a more logical or reasonable explanation at this point. I really would like to believe it's something else.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iowa-democratic-party-anticipates-releasing-majority-caucus-results/story?id=68744850
 
i like the caucus system for party primaries and the traditional, secret ballot system for general elections :couch:
 
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