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BBall Recruiting Thread 2k20 - Watson/Adams - Gibson/Bailey ('20) & James ('21) Gone

PhDeac said:
It’s been 10 years since so many things but you’d think we would at least have had a reliable guard scorer in that stretch. Not even necessarily an all-ACC type. Just a guy who can get his shot off multiple ways with decent percentages (42/37/78 or so).
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I’d say CJ Harris was that. Granted, it’s been 7 seasons since he played, but he checks that box.
 
DeacsATS said:
I’d say CJ Harris was that. Granted, it’s been 7 seasons since he played, but he checks that box.
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Good call. He's the one guy in 10 years.
 
Austin Arians shot 42.7% on threes in 2016-17 as a grad transfer. Keyshawn Woods shot 43.8% from three the same year. DJ Mitchell shot 42.9% from three in 11.3 minutes/game in 2017-18. He transferred to Santa Clara and is shooting 38.3% from three this year. DJ sat behind Terrence Thompson and four guard line ups that season. One of many Manning mysteries.
 
Arians and Woods couldn't really create their own shot.
 
Regardless of % I wouldn't put either Arians or Woods in the same category as the type of players I listed...."Randolph, Rutland, Downey, Gray, Teague-type scorers.."
 
80deacon said:
Regardless of % I wouldn't put either Arians or Woods in the same category as the type of players I listed...."Randolph, Rutland, Downey, Gray, Teague-type scorers.."
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I'd agree, but they did shoot well. With the exception of Teague, everyone else played at Wake for four years and on NCAA tourney teams. Teague had two years. That certainly colors our perception of their ability. With the possible exception of Childress, none of that group comes close to CD. I hear Skip Brown was good but I never saw him play.
 
The #10 player in 21 is a guy named Nate Bittle. He's listed as 6'11, 173. That makes Jamaal Levy look buff.
 
BlackjackMc said:
I'd agree, but they did shoot well. With the exception of Teague, everyone else played at Wake for four years and on NCAA tourney teams. Teague had two years. That certainly colors our perception of their ability. With the possible exception of Childress, none of that group comes close to CD. I hear Skip Brown was good but I never saw him play.
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I dont remember watching Davis because I was so young. Both Skip and Tony Byers were pure shooters. Skip was one of the quickest guards I've seen in ACC. A guy named Willie Griffin from WS IIRC, could shoot the lights out when he played on bad McCloskey teams. I remember him.
 
Charlie averaged almost 25 ppg for his career in a non-shot clock, non-three point shot era. He would have averaged 30 ppg in this age.
 
RJKarl said:
Charlie averaged almost 25 ppg for his career in a non-shot clock, non-three point shot era. He would have averaged 30 ppg in this age.
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I'll take "Things Old Wake Fans Have Been Saying For Over Three Decades" for $100, Alex.
 
80deacon said:
I dont remember watching Davis because I was so young. Both Skip and Tony Byers were pure shooters. Skip was one of the quickest guards I've seen in ACC. A guy named Willie Griffin from WS IIRC, could shoot the lights out when he played on bad McCloskey teams. I remember him.
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If CD was squared up you could count it. It was difficult for him to get those shots because he was the focus of the every opponent's defense. He was acrobatic. He hit shots jumping to the left or right to get a clear shot rather than straight up. Dynamite on fall away jumpers. Could drive to the hoop on a quick spin move or weave his way through a defense backing in and bouncing side to side before the spin. Made shots you have never seen before or since. Like Earl Monroe, he probably couldn't tell you what he would do next because he didn't know. No disrespect to any other Deacon, CD was the best offensive player to wear the old gold and black that I have ever seen. That's why I summarize his ability as "you would have to see it to believe it."
 
Hadn't actually looked up CD's stats before. His senior year, he scored 26.5 pts/game on .494 fg and .862 ft. That's incredible for a jump shooter.

(Yes, I know it was before the 3-pointer as well)
 
PhDeac said:
Hadn't actually looked up CD's stats before. His senior year, he scored 26.5 pts/game on .494 fg and .862 ft. That's incredible for a jump shooter.

(Yes, I know it was before the 3-pointer as well)
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Coach McCloskey would run the 1-4 with Charlie and few defenders could contain him. When Charlie encountered the "help" defender, he would draw fouls and often made the basket too. Charlie was absolutely deadly from the foul line. We beat Carolina in 1970 when Charlie drove the lane and Eddie Fogler tried to step in under him. Ref Ralph Stout called the block and Dean gave the choke sign. Technical foul Dean; game over.

Charlie was only 6-1, quite slight of build, and remarkably pigeon-toed. Packer claimed that many great players had feet like that.

The only guy I can remember stopping Charlie was Jim Cleamons of Ohio State who was a tad taller and much stronger. I asked Cleamons about the game and he said, "Davis was rated ahead of me so I really tried to shut him down." The Buckeyes spoiled our season opener at the old Coliseum in Dec. 1969. Cleamons had a pretty NBA long career as a journeyman player, whereas CD did not possess the skill set for the pros.
 
PhDeac said:
Hadn't actually looked up CD's stats before. His senior year, he scored 26.5 pts/game on .494 fg and .862 ft. That's incredible for a jump shooter.

(Yes, I know it was before the 3-pointer as well)
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He was three time all-ACC and ACC player of the year in 1971. First African-American player to win that award.

He is one of the ACC top 50 all time players.


He was too slender to survive in the NBA where the unwritten Bill Russell rule was, "You may shoot the free throws. You may not shoot the layup."
 
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