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COVID-19 Mafia - Its OFFICIAL - MAF WINS

deacondamo said:
Lean civ on ryala for his post about Ph and killing soft claimers.

Ph did soft claim and people just kind of blew it off.
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Think you are the 3rd person to say we are blowing of PH. Well there is plenty of time to do something about it.
 
tic said:
I think this is a good response - coupled with your other posts helps you in my eyes. But I still find it weird you'd break a 3 way tie without reading.

Also, when I placed a vote on you out of the gate today, you only responded to Jman when he followed me up with another on you. I think this looks good though.. and with you and Jman going back and forth in thread, if Jman = mafia, it likely means you're not mafia. Don't see Maf Jman putting another vote on a teammate without any real justification for it to start today. When Jman is mafia, he's reluctant to target teammates unless he absolutely has to IMO.
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i missed the end of d1 so im struggling to read the posts organically along with this narrative but i think it makes sense. cooling on tic.
 
Eagles_Legendz said:
You may disagree but you don’t know me very well. It had absolutely nothing to do with ego and everything to do with strategy. Whether I was effective with it is a different question.
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oh i wasn't claiming ego at all (and apologies to everyone else for making this another postgame for last game) but was trying to learn and didn't find your explanations helpful at the time. felt like i learned a lot more from juice and sd3. either way all was well that ended well. we also went a very different way from your suggested hits which worked in our favor too.

then again if you believe the wfu03's of the world it was always ours to lose
 
romanovKU said:
tic - thoughts on redwing?
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Redwing is impossible to read for me. He's always one of my top inv targets.

I can read through all of his stuff, but I honestly haven't even had him on my radar. Redwing & Da are always impossible to read, which is a credit to them I guess. #balancing
 
anyone ever secretly watch a show without their spouse, like say, ozark, and then when a new season comes out your spouse is like hey i've heard ozark is good we should watch it and then you're stuck rewatching from teh start?
 
tic said:
I think this is a good response - coupled with your other posts helps you in my eyes. But I still find it weird you'd break a 3 way tie without reading.

Also, when I placed a vote on you out of the gate today, you only responded to Jman when he followed me up with another on you. I think this looks good though.. and with you and Jman going back and forth in thread, if Jman = mafia, it likely means you're not mafia. Don't see Maf Jman putting another vote on a teammate without any real justification for it to start today. When Jman is mafia, he's reluctant to target teammates unless he absolutely has to IMO.
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I have no problem with votes on me. JMan's reasoning for his vote made no sense and tried to paint a picture of me as a relative unknown over hear that I thought was incorrect. That was my problem.
 
tic said:
I like one of Jman/Duff/Numbers here.

Duff came into the game with his first "real" post to break a 3 way tie by putting Knight up 1 when it was Knight/Ph/Numbers all tied at 3. He made a throwaway vote saying he was going to struggle to catch up to the thread and then placed the go-ahead on Knight.

From there, you can extrapolate it was to give help to one of Numbers/Ph or both, but with Ph's softclaim, that should keep him off the block for the time being.

So if Duff = Mafia, then Numbers = likely mafia?

Then, with Jman's follow vote on Duff this round with me, and Duff & Jman's interactions about it, we have a lot to go on with one of these three. Discuss.
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Honestly, this seems reasonable overall but I did like Duff’s response.

Overall how do you prefer handling soft claims like the one Ph had? Ryala seems to prefer the “kill all soft claims” do you champion a different technique?
 
TownieDeac said:
oh i wasn't claiming ego at all (and apologies to everyone else for making this another postgame for last game) but was trying to learn and didn't find your explanations helpful at the time. felt like i learned a lot more from juice and sd3. either way all was well that ended well. we also went a very different way from your suggested hits which worked in our favor too.

then again if you believe the wfu03's of the world it was always ours to lose
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only because it was like 15 civs with no cop and 10 mafia with the possibility to add more mafia abilities
 
JManslow said:
I didn’t like your entry and felt like you were laying low. FTR I’m backing off that initial read
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What was duff’s reputation in previous games I seriously don’t remember anything notable about him (sorry duff)
 
I'm beginning to think that WFU just straight up doesn't like me

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TownieDeac said:
anyone ever secretly watch a show without their spouse, like say, ozark, and then when a new season comes out your spouse is like hey i've heard ozark is good we should watch it and then you're stuck rewatching from teh start?
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No but I will jump an episode or two ahead when my wife and I are watching something together. She frequently falls asleep before me so I will keep watching. We are pretty good about talking about shows we are watching the the other isnt.
 
Eagles_Legendz said:
mafia absolutely won in spite of me. I said as much after the game. The idea that I like people following me around in this game though is wildly wildly off base. People can do whatever they want. Everything I did that game was to try to keep heat away from Juice (and the 2 people I civ leaned early - redwing and sd3).

I identify win conditions as mafia early. Toog was not a win condition. I was not a win condition. Ensuring people who seemed like civs made it to the end was a win condition. Since people give credit to my civ leans as I posted before I saw your post, I thought by civ leaning the 3 would buy them time. I didn’t actually want Toog to die the round he did but I thought it had the derivative benefit of giving me credence as a civ which has nothing to do whatsoever with me trying to stay alive and everything to do with providing cover for the 3 mafia players who were actually playing well.

You may disagree but you don’t know me very well. It had absolutely nothing to do with ego and everything to do with strategy. Whether I was effective with it is a different question.
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E.g I seem civ, 3 mafia I civ lean I can probably protect, including Thanos who was trying to compile the stones. Anyway - enough about that, but I thought it was worth clarifying. I do, by the way, genuinely try to be helpful and explain things to the greatest extent I’m able. But my style in the middle of a round is reading specific posts and deriving leans. I don’t generally then follow up with a paragraph about why Gouda is a civ until it’s relevant or if that person is getting heat.

But as an example: Gouda, a) makes declarative statement about mako p1 that he doesn’t likely make about mako if mako is civ or his teammate, b) his follow up on p2 is genuine even if it’s jokey, c) he wouldn’t post that at me if he was mafia and I am civ (which I am) on p.3, d) his dialogues with Romanov, and then e) saying he didn’t remember why he voted for Ph.

^^^ all of that is civ coming from Gouda. Again, some is specific to a player, some is generic.

For Da, who I used to have a hard time reading when I was playing, I like post 391 because I agree with it and (what I assume Da’s sentiment is there), I also like post 454. I thought his tone with his other posts was fine except one which I don’t recall without looking back through.

Earnestness is a civ trait. Trying to figure things out is a civ trait. You know what you’re doing as mafia. Trick as a civ is figuring out who is actually trying to figure shit out versus who is pretending to figure shit out. It’s why fake claims out more mafia teammates than anything because mafia knows their teammate is lying and are usually shit about pretending to deduce the veracity of a claim.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Honestly, this seems reasonable overall but I did like Duff’s response.

Overall how do you prefer handling soft claims like the one Ph had? Ryala seems to prefer the “kill all soft claims” do you champion a different technique?
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I think Ryala's theory is the "correct" one, but I always operate under the assumption that the Ph softclaim will work itself out. If he's a civ special, he should be targeted by mafia (maybe not immediately due to protection and whatnot), but either he is or he's maf, and I think you table him because eventually he should be killed. Also, if he has to concoct a story to go along with his claim if he's mafia, let him dickstep all over himself.
 
Eagles_Legendz said:
Earnestness is a civ trait. Trying to figure things out is a civ trait. You know what you’re doing as mafia. Trick as a civ is figuring out who is actually trying to figure shit out versus who is pretending to figure shit out. It’s why fake claims out more mafia teammates than anything because mafia knows their teammate is lying and are usually shit about pretending to deduce the veracity of a claim.
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this is infinitely more helpful to me than you were in mafia chat but i guess you were work busy most of last week and it's not yr job to teach me how to play

it's tough to get started in mafia because you're going up against one level of trying to figure out the game, another trying to figure out the meta which includes your own tone, and another trying to act like you aren't doing either of the first two levels. and god forbid you go against a norm.
 
tic said:
Also, this is terrible. You can't civ lean QT and not me when I attempted to make the kill also AFTER claiming I was going to save him earlier. Everyone knows I'm a Knight stan and I still wanted to kill him after Ph's softclaim.
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Also, this is the post I liked about tic. Generally people being aggrieved others aren’t reading them as civs is a civ quality because it’s sincere. Mafia usually isn’t going to be pissed off people aren’t reading them as a civ. *

This is asterisked by possibility tic is romanov’s teammate and this is banter.
 
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