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Chaundee Brown is gone

It hasn't seemed like kids didn't like Manning, they just got tired of losing.
 
If Sarr goes too, Manning can continue with his excuse narrative that we are young and that's why we suck.
 
Atlanta Deacon said:
It hasn't seemed like kids didn't like Manning, they just got tired of losing.
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I mean how could you not like Manning? He's probably a joy to play for. The opposite of a zero tolerance type coach. He's lax as hell. Players probably love that.
 
It's been so long since I've watched Wake hoops that I couldn't even pick Chaundee Brown out of a lineup with dudes 6 feet or taller.
 
Brendan207 said:
Currie is a fucking joke. He won't answer any basketball related questions and that's the epitome of either being a coward or blindly towing the gutless party line. If I wasn't required to make my deacon club donation to get a football parking pass I'd be totally out. I might just try and buy a football parking pass on the secondary market just to prove a point. But I hate making the entire program suffer just to try and punish the administration, we have a number of other fantastic programs (golf, tennis, soccer, football) that need the support.
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Maybe you didn't hear Wellman a few years back when he basically said, "fuck you average Deacon Alum/fan I don't need your fucking $ or opinions."

I stopped cold turkey about 5 years ago with the AD after 30 plus years. Done.

Fuck you Wellman.
 
Azdeac said:
If Sarr goes too, Manning can continue with his excuse narrative that we are young and that's why we suck.
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Manning can say whatever he wants and no words can make up for his coaching record.

To the extent that anyone buys into that narrative (and no one does), coaching these days is as much about keeping the players in your program so that when they are juniors and seniors they can be difference-makers. Manning has a lot of flaws as a coach, and the biggest flaw may be his continuing inability to keep players in the program. While I am sure WF would've found ways to disappoint under Manning even if everyone stayed, the difference between WF being at least mediocre (something like Clemson has been under Brownell) and being awful is directly attributable to Manning's failure to keep players like Crawford, Moore, Mitoglou, Woods, Donovan Mitchell (averaged 10 and 5 this past year), Chandee, Sarr (likely) around for their senior seasons. Realize not every situation is his fault, but when players keep leaving, it's another sign on top of the W-L record that things are amiss.
 
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cheeseheads12 said:
I mean how could you not like Manning? He's probably a joy to play for. The opposite of a zero tolerance type coach. He's lax as hell. Players probably love that.
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Exactly. I’ve always thought we would have had more transfers out of the program, but most know that there would be consequences for not playing defense at other Power 5 programs. It’s not an issue under Manning— minutes are won or lost on the offensive end, and if you dare to ever pick up two fouls in the first half.
 
Pilchard said:
Manning can whatever he wants and no words can make up for his coaching record.

To the extent that anyone buys into that narrative (and no one does), coaching these days is as much about keeping the players in your program so that when they are juniors and seniors they can be difference-makers. Manning has a lot of flaws as a coach, and the biggest flaw may be his continuing inability to keep players in the program. While I am sure WF would've found ways to disappoint under Manning even if everyone stayed, the difference between WF being at least mediocre (something like Clemson has been under Brownell) and being awful is directly attributable to Manning's failure to keep players like Crawford, Moore, Mitoglou, Woods, Donovan Mitchell (averaged 10 and 5 this past year), Chandee, Sarr (likely) around for their senior seasons. Realize not every situation is his fault, but when players keep leaving, it's another sign on top of the W-L record that things are amiss.
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Yep. It's one thing to recruit and sign marginal talent that you develop into a productive players for their junior and senior seasons. It's another to have that marginal talent leave after two years so you can bring in more marginal talent that will again, leave after two years.

If you sprinkle in a couple of all-conference guys with dependable upperclassmen, you have an NCAA tournament team. We consistently have an occasional third team all-conference player and no decent upperclassmen. And that is why we suck. And it's why Manning's X's & O's shortcomings are actually a secondary problem.
 
BiffTannen said:
Yep. It's one thing to recruit and sign marginal talent that you develop into a productive players for their junior and senior seasons. It's another to have that marginal talent leave after two years so you can bring in more marginal talent that will again, leave after two years.

If you sprinkle in a couple of all-conference guys with dependable upperclassmen, you have an NCAA tournament team. We consistently have an occasional third team all-conference player and no decent upperclassmen. And that is why we suck. And it's why Manning's X's & O's shortcomings are actually a secondary problem.
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this
manning's only decent season was due to an extraordinary talent in collins with two players (crawford, dinos) that could at least play internationally. hell his shit fucking coaching skills held the team back.
 
cheeseheads12 said:
I mean how could you not like Manning? He's probably a joy to play for. The opposite of a zero tolerance type coach. He's lax as hell. Players probably love that.
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Nah. People like to be held accountable and pushed. People perform better and are happier when they know they are being held to a standard. Just knowing you're being observed alone is often enough to improve your performance (Hawthorne Effect).

Plus, few like to hear how it's always their fault, and Manning has always blamed everything on his players. People like leaders who share in the responsibility.

The fact that no one sticks around shows that he's not a joy to play for. If players loved it, we wouldn't be losing them left and right.
 
Pilchard said:
Manning can whatever he wants and no words can make up for his coaching record.

To the extent that anyone buys into that narrative (and no one does), coaching these days is as much about keeping the players in your program so that when they are juniors and seniors they can be difference-makers. Manning has a lot of flaws as a coach, and the biggest flaw may be his continuing inability to keep players in the program. While I am sure WF would've found ways to disappoint under Manning even if everyone stayed, the difference between WF being at least mediocre (something like Clemson has been under Brownell) and being awful is directly attributable to Manning's failure to keep players like Crawford, Moore, Mitoglou, Woods, Donovan Mitchell (averaged 10 and 5 this past year), Chandee, Sarr (likely) around for their senior seasons. Realize not every situation is his fault, but when players keep leaving, it's another sign on top of the W-L record that things are amiss.
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I don't really agree with this. Manning is just a terrible tactical and defensive coach. He has been abysmal regardless of talent level. He had one mediocre year when he had the nation's most productive offensive player was on the team.

It would have taken a stream of 5-star players to get Danny to the mediocrity of Clemson.
 
Manning needs one more transfer to bring the total to 24 players who have left the program with eligibility remaining. An average of four per year over a six year period.
 
awaken said:
How the hell did Manning get Tulsa to the tournament?
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Players over-performed and the team made a run at the end of the season to win their conference tourney. If I remember correctly that year's Tulsa team was the definition of mediocre and would not have sniffed the tourney without the out-of-nowhere run.
 
BlackjackMc said:
Manning needs one more transfer to bring the total to 24 players who have left the program with eligibility remaining. An average of four per year over a six year period.
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Think about that, Mr. Currie.
 
 
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awaken said:
How the hell did Manning get Tulsa to the tournament?
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Somebody had to win that tournament. I think they only won one game vs a top 100 team in that stretch. Something like that.
 
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