F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

[RJKarl]

Are they related?

 

[MHBDemon]

The “spokesperson” model of doing activism (isolating specific exemplary cases) also tends to emphasize the individual, rather than the collective nature of the injury. Framing oppression in terms of individual actors is a liberal tactic that dismantles collective responses to oppression and diverts attention from the larger picture.

https://www.liesjournal.net/volume1-10-againstinnocence.html

This essay “Against Innocence: Race, Gender, and the politics of Safety” seems very relevant to this moment.

 

[Newenglanddeac]

 

[Rafi]

Apparently the protest in Winston tonight is the largest in North Carolina so far, and Winston's protests have continued to be peaceful

That’s great. I saw they blocked highway 52 (which incidentally runs all the way up to St Paul, MN), which seems like a powerful yet peaceful move.

 

[Kory]

damn that's a lot of spit

 

[Kory]

check out MSU's RDU hell yeah

 

[Kory]

"looting night"

 

[Kory]

"how do you do fellow antifa

we will be in these places looting these stores at this time make sure to share with all your friends!"

 

[Strickland33]

Huh, no antifa involvement. Some of y'all gotta quit clutching those pearls.

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/

The FBI’s Washington Field Office “has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence” in the violence that occurred on May 31 during the D.C.-area protests over the murder of George Floyd, according to an internal FBI situation report obtained exclusively by The Nation. That same day, President Donald Trump announced on Twitter that he would designate “Antifa” a terrorist organization, even though the government has no existing authority to declare a domestic group a terrorist organization, and antifa is not an organized group. Following the president’s tweet, Attorney General William Barr said in a statement, “The violence instigated and carried out by Antifa and other similar groups in connection with the rioting is domestic terrorism and will be treated accordingly.”

The FBI report, however, states that “based on CHS [Confidential Human Source] canvassing, open source/social media partner engagement, and liaison, FBI WFO has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence.” The statement followed a list of violent acts like throwing bricks at police and the discovery of a backpack containing explosive materials, which were flagged by the FBI under a “Key Updates” section of the report. The FBI has been issuing such reports daily since the weekend, according to a Bureau source, who added that none of these documents contained any evidence of Antifa violence.

 

[WFFaithful]

Clearly the FBI and antifa are working together to take down Trump

 

[WakeForestRanger]

Yeah that guy needs to resign.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

so Brews, DG3, and RJ should be relieved that their fears of Antifa orchestrating the riots were unfounded! That's great, right?! Aren't you just so happy to learn that from the FBI?

 

[Highland Deac]

Huh, no antifa involvement. Some of y'all gotta quit clutching those pearls.

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/

No surprise, but this won't do any good with the conspiracy crowd. They'll just say that the lack of any hard evidence that Antifa was involved in the DC protests just proves how sneaky and devious they are, and of how they're being protected by LibDems within the government (more conspiracies!) trying to undermine Dear Leader. In effect, the lack of evidence is in itself evidence. It's how these types of people think.

 

[birdman]

Huh, no antifa involvement. Some of y'all gotta quit clutching those pearls.

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/

DEEP STATE WANTS ANTIFA TO WIN!

Oh...wait...

 

[RJKarl]

so Brews, DG3, and RJ should be relieved that their fears of Antifa orchestrating the riots were unfounded! That's great, right?! Aren't you just so happy to learn that from the FBI?

You really are a snarky asshole who doesn't understand anything about life or reality.

Unlike you, I don't immediately cast aspersions on people I don't agree with politically. Brews and DG3 are almost polar opposites to me politically, but we can get along. It's also why I can get things done and you can't. Until you stop acting like a dictator who must be obeyed no matter what, you will never move your dreams towards reality.

Billy Joel must have had you in mind....

"And there's always a place for the angry young man
With his fist in the air and his head in the sand
And he's never been able to learn from mistakes
So he can't understand why his heart always breaks
And his honor is pure and his courage as well
And he's fair and he's true and he's boring as hell
And he'll go to the grave as an angry old man

Yes there's always a place for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl
He's always at home with his back to the wall
And he's proud of his scars and the battles he's lost
And he struggles and bleeds as he hangs on his cross
And he likes to be known as the angry young man?

 

[DeaconSig]

Huh, no antifa involvement. Some of y'all gotta quit clutching those pearls.

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/

Fuck the fbi. Brad said Antifa was involved. I believe him over the Swamp FBI.

 

[WakeForestRanger]

 

[Strickland33]

No surprise, but this won't do any good with the conspiracy crowd. They'll just say that the lack of any hard evidence that Antifa was involved in the DC protests just proves how sneaky and devious they are, and of how they're being protected by LibDems within the government (more conspiracies!) trying to undermine Dear Leader. In effect, the lack of evidence is in itself evidence. It's how these types of people think.

I mean, it just kinda sucks when otherwise good posters like Brews and DG3 appear to legit buy into these things. Sometimes the obvious answer is obvious. People are fucking pissed because they've been stuck inside and they're sick of fucking cops murdering civilians with impunity. This is literally the same script from 1965. If this thread is any indication (and it's a fairly remarkable document considering what has unfolded since it was created), it turns out that poor people of color are more fucking pissed about getting harassed and murdered by cops than Wake Forest graduates.

 

[dartsndeacs]

In Philadelphia and New York yesterday there were multiple instances where looting in higher end retail districts was ignored, and peaceful protests in minority communities were attacked. The disproportion of force and intent was clearly discriminatory.

I noticed this too. It is almost as if the police want images of shameless looting in the media. The NYPD would have done a lot more good if they had left the large peaceful protests alone, and focused on the criminals breaking into stores. But that doesn't fit with their goals. You don't need tanks, automatic weapons and body armour to chase kids away from storefronts.

Many of the large city protests are being coordinated in public spaces *away* from retail just for this purpose to put seperation between themselves and looters - they're still getting attacked. You saw the video of the protestors trapped between the road and embankment and being teargassed from both sides so they had nowhere to disperse. That crowd was nowhere near a business.

These are terrible takes. The officers are staying together because they don't want to risk their lives, and the looters are everywhere.

Nobody on here is okay with the looting of small businesses, okay. We're not. I didn't bust into a fucking nail salon last night.

However those of us with a grain of fucking empathy and foresight and can understand why a bunch of kids are doing it. They've been locked at home for three months with little to no income coming in, many come from families who could barely made it day-to-day before the pandemic, and they have no hope. No opportunity. So when they see one, they take it. It is what impoverished people do when they have no other outlets.

We don't condone, we agree that it is counterproductive, but continuing to harp on the looting that everyone agrees is wrong is helping nothing. It dilutes the message, and reminds the rest of us that you do value property over people. Even if you do claim to be a liberal. And honestly you are just as big a problem as Trump and his imbred armies. Stop being so easily blinded.

There's mass looting nation wide. There's not nearly enough harping on the looting in this thread. The looting doesn't stop if half the country thinks it's not that big of a deal. And if the looting doesn't stop its obviously going to work out worse for the black community than if it continues. We'll be voting in pubs for another 20 years.

Examining the rationality of the property destruction is tilting at windmills. If you're an old guy getting mad about it, then it served its purpose. With the exception of a few obvious landmarks like police stations, civil war monuments, banks, I would hesitate to attach any political motivation to the property destruction. People (kids) are very destructive when they can get away with it. People shoot up stop signs, trash construction sites, destroy bathroom stalls. It's not political.

I agree its not political whatsoever, but rationalizing looting in groups of hundreds as just kids being kids is ridiculous.

If you're angrier/choosing to direct your anger at actions of those protesting (with some looting/rioting involved) than the underlying reasons for the protests (structural racism, killer cops, militarization of local communities and cops) then you are part of the problem.

Check your values.

"some looting and rioting"

Do you guys really think any of the (serious) posters here are *angrier* about the looting than the murder? Seems like a bit of a strawman.

I'm angrier about the looting than the murder, and I was fairly angry about the murder. The looting is going to result in thousands of more deaths.

 

[deactherunner]