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BillBrasky Memorial Political Chat Thread

As a Centrist I'll be the first to admit and seeing it up close the Democrats need the organizational energy and ideas of the younger Progressive crowd. We need to figure out a way to work together.
 
I found out yesterday that my mid-70's parents both voted straight Pub ballots except left the president blank. They said "We hate Donald and We like Joe, but can be sure that he will make it through his term and Kamala won't usher in an era of socialism in America..." Weak, pathetic, bank account voting in the face of blatant racism and sexism and dangerous anti science-ism. These are the exact type of shitty centrists that nominating Joe was supposed to appeal to. I am disappointed and mad.
 
It sucks. Seems like we have a horrible choice. Either 70M people are irredeemable or we can somehow convert some of them.
 
PhDeac said:
It sucks. Seems like we have a horrible choice. Either 70M people are irredeemable or we can somehow convert some of them.
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Spoiler: a whole lot more than 70M people are irredeemable. Oh, you are just talking about politically. NM.
 
These are a pair of 75 year old Catholics who couldn't bring them selves to vote for a 78 year old catholic in a swing state because there was a chance his running mate might somehow be more or at least equally more dangerous for their 4 preteen granddaughters' America than a COVID/CLIMATE denying serial rapist. Fuck them. The Jury is in, for me any way, it wasn't that Hillary was a bad candidate, it was that people fucking suck.
 
50 million of them couldn't define socialism or name a socialist country if asked, and they think it means they will be in a gulag somewhere busting rocks for the government. Meanwhile they are either cashing checks from the government or they are watching their 401k grow with government money juicing their energy, finance, and defense -based portfolios.
 
I'm more optimistic about the 70m that voted for the shit stain but only slightly. There is some percentage between 35-70m that are really really REALLY... uh low information voters... not sure what that % is but, as has been discussed a lot recently, dems are terrible at messaging and the gop has been very successful. Some of those minds can be changed but its a long term thing requiring the sort of grass roots movements many here are advocating.
That change of heart won't have any chance of beginning anytime soon unless dems win the senate and can show real people some real wins. Otherwise its more of the same.
 
I think some of those who voted for Trump will start to accept Biden. Even though he's likely to treat immigrants with some level of dignity, possibly give minority groups the respect of being human beings and even consider giving the poorest of our country access to health care, they'll see that the stock market is doing well, so they'll be willing to try and overlook all those horrible affronts to their morals.
 
Political Chat Thread - All Topics & Rants Welcome

It really hurts my soul that so many Americans are just dead set against expanding welfare programs. After the rampant racism, xenophobia, violence, then brutal capitalist exploitation, probably the thing I hate the most about the US is the selfish, lonely individualist mentality where we consider all our life circumstances in terms of deservedness. If you’re rich it’s because you deserve it, if you’re poor it’s because you deserve it, and rather than having a standard of human dignity we just have a big stupid fucking lottery of charity where you can beg for help, and if you’re cute enough or sad enough you might go viral and win enough charity for your kids heart transplant, or grandma might be able to stave off eviction for another month.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
It really hurts my soul that so many Americans are just dead set against expanding welfare programs. After the rampant racism, xenophobia, violence, then brutal capitalist exploitation, probably the thing I hate the most about the US is the selfish, lonely individualist mentality where we consider all our life circumstances in terms of deservedness. If you’re rich it’s because you deserve it, if you’re poor it’s because you deserve it, and rather than having a standard of human dignity we just have a big stupid fucking lottery of charity where you can beg for help, and if you’re cute enough or sad enough you might go viral and win enough charity for your kids heart transplant, or grandma might be able to stave off eviction for another month.
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Social Darwinism for the win!
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
It really hurts my soul that so many Americans are just dead set against expanding welfare programs. After the rampant racism, xenophobia, violence, then brutal capitalist exploitation, probably the thing I hate the most about the US is the selfish, lonely individualist mentality where we consider all our life circumstances in terms of deservedness. If you’re rich it’s because you deserve it, if you’re poor it’s because you deserve it, and rather than having a standard of human dignity we just have a big stupid fucking lottery of charity where you can beg for help, and if you’re cute enough or sad enough you might go viral and win enough charity for your kids heart transplant, or grandma might be able to stave off eviction for another month.
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There's a whole lot of my parents were poor and the not having things handed to them is what got them through it out there. A real belief that if you take out the motivation for humans needing to work to survive, the whole system collapses.
 
Political Chat Thread - All Topics & Rants Welcome

The reality is the system has collapsed and wanting to succeed isn’t nearly enough.

It takes some real gall for people who live comfortable lives and presumably want to make even more money to assume that people who struggle need to struggle in order to be motivated.
 
PhDeac said:
The reality is the system has collapsed and wanting to succeed isn’t nearly enough.

It takes some real gall for people who live comfortable lives and presumably want to make even more money to assume that people who struggle need to struggle in order to be motivated.
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Well there are plenty of examples of people like the French, or just about any rich kid , to show that motivation is a factor.
 
It really seems to come down to that people in the country don't give a shit about what life is like in the city, and vice versa. I suppose as long as you don't want microbreweries and fancy restaurants in your life, you can still get a nice house for $200k and 3% down with 3% interest rates. Being able to work for a contstruction/landscaping/farming job is all that's really required to have a decent life as long as you aren't super attached to too many material things. But on the flip side everyone who lives in a city is envious of their yards. It's just a matter of priorities.
 
stugotz said:
It really seems to come down to that people in the country don't give a shit about what life is like in the city, and vice versa. I suppose as long as you don't want microbreweries and fancy restaurants in your life, you can still get a nice house for $200k and 3% down with 3% interest rates. Being able to work for a contstruction/landscaping/farming job is all that's really required to have a decent life as long as you aren't super attached to too many material things. But on the flip side everyone who lives in a city is envious of their yards. It's just a matter of priorities.
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Depends on what rural area you live in. If you live in the exurbs fairly close to a medium-sized city or in a college town then you might be able to still get a decent job and buy that 200k house, but there are many rural areas where the manufacturing economy has imploded and even blue-collar jobs are hard to find, and you'd be surprised at the number of even country folk that don't care to work in construction or landscaping or similar work. There are plenty of rural areas where life isn't nearly as comfortable or as prosperous as it used to be, including right here in NC.
 
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