COVID Thread 2: Operation Ludicrous Speed ! (Super Political!!!)

[Rafi]

One question that needs an answer is whether there was an increase in flu vaccinations this Fall. Trump talked about the about to be Covid vaccines as the cure-all for Covid. Did that logic carry over to more people getting their flu shots? There would be an even greater impact on flu if those getting the shots were those least likely to mask and distance.

In 2018-2019 there were 169 million flu vaccine doses distributed in the US. In 2019-2020 there were 174 million doses distributed. 2020-2021 flu vaccine season obviously is not over yet, but it is estimated that there will be 198 million doses distributed, so a significant increase.

 

[Colonel Angus]

Actually, we have good data that COVID-19 isn't spreading in schools even in areas where there is high incidence in the community. I'm not sure we fully understand why that is, but that is what the data shows.

OK - So why doesn't the party of science support the opening of schools?

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

There’s his basic point. Just pure snowflakey hurt feelings RWer conspiracy.

Pay no attention to the deaths, the hospitalizations, the cases, the fact that the source for all that information is the governments and “the media” is just reporting those govt produced numbers.

No, all that is part of a deep state conspiracy to get rid of trump because my feelings are hurt that you think I’m an asshole for being Republican too.

Ha, no. I'm not a Republican and am glad that Trump is gone. I'm not sure why it is so far-fetched to say that the rubes ignored the legitimacy of Covid to everyone's detriment (the obvious deaths), while the WFHElite overhyped it to everyone's detriment (the generation of severely impacted kids, economic collapse), both groups motivated by their own biases. The truth, as usual, is somewhere in the middle. Trying to justify the magic disappearance of the flu is the WFHElite version of the rube kids in the sewer.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

Ha, no. I'm not a Republican.

of all the dumb shit you've said on this thread this takes the cake

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

It's not just mask wearing but other precautions like increased hand washing, not touching your face, etc. that has contributed to a lot of decreased transmission. Even if people aren't wearing masks their overall hygiene is better.

I also read a journal article talking about the limited flights that helped stop the spread of seasonal flu from the southern hemisphere to the northern hemisphere.

Basically, there are several reasons that seem more plausible that every flu case being coded as covid-19 even though many places originally required a negative flu test before even issuing a covid test.

So the rubes are now constantly washing their hands and have stopped their annual trips to Brazil? That is the reasoning to justify 400,000 to 165?

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

In 2018-2019 there were 169 million flu vaccine doses distributed in the US. In 2019-2020 there were 174 million doses distributed. 2020-2021 flu vaccine season obviously is not over yet, but it is estimated that there will be 198 million doses distributed, so a significant increase.

A 14% increase in flu vaccinations correlates to a 99.96% decrease in flu hospitalizations? Makes perfect sense.

 

[Rafi]

2&2, why do you think there has been so little flu?

The answer is not known, but it is likely multifactorial:

-The main vector for influenza is young children in school. Many of those kids are not in school this year, and those that are universally mask, hand wash, and distance (small classes, no cafeteria, etc.).
-Others masking, washing, distancing also slows spread
-No travel between countries has decreased spread
-We had a massive die-off of our vulnerable population from COVID, so those people are not hospitalized
-Increased flu vaccines
-Efficacy of flu vaccines? (some years we predict the strains better than others)

 

[Rafi]

A 14% increase in flu vaccinations correlates to a 99.96% decrease in flu hospitalizations? Makes perfect sense.

Settled down, Sparky. At no point did I ever say that. I was simply answering the question about vaccination rates.

 

[06deacon]

Maybe the flu is actually really bad this year but the deep state is putting out false information to make it seem like numbers are low. That’s exactly what they would do if they wanted to make covid look way worse by comparison and keep us all at home, fearful and servile to the anti-Trump government

 

[Colonel Angus]

When the Luv Guv has lost CNN... ruh roh

 

[RJKarl]

But had no problems with Trump acting like that dozens of times.

Contact lens are less transparent than you are.

 

[thatguy2016]

2&2, why do you think there has been so little flu?

The answer is not known, but it is likely multifactorial:

-The main vector for influenza is young children in school. Many of those kids are not in school this year, and those that are universally mask, hand wash, and distance (small classes, no cafeteria, etc.).
-Others masking, washing, distancing also slows spread
-No travel between countries has decreased spread
-We had a massive die-off of our vulnerable population from COVID, so those people are not hospitalized
-Increased flu vaccines
-Efficacy of flu vaccines? (some years we predict the strains better than others)

I agree 100% with the main point of this post; however, there are decent-sized pockets within the U.S. where schools are open, masks are not required, class size is unchanged, and cafeterias are open

 

[Rafi]

I agree 100% with the main point of this post; however, there are decent-sized pockets within the U.S. where schools are open, masks are not required, class size is unchanged, and cafeterias are open

Interesting. I was not aware of that for elementary schools. Can you post a link?

 

[thatguy2016]

Interesting. I was not aware of that for elementary schools. Can you post a link?

Remember Cherokee County, GA? It was a big hit on social media in the fall when a kid posted a picture of kids in the hall, maskless, and then the kid who posted the photo was suspended.

https://www.cherokeek12.net/Content2/7498

Will my child be required to wear a mask? Will masks be provided?

We encourage and recommend that students wear masks whenever social distancing is not possible in our schools and on our school buses, but, at this time, masks will not be required for our students. We will provide each student with up to two reusable masks upon request and at no charge on the first day of school. If the Federal or State government mandates masks be worn, then we must follow that mandate and require all students wear masks.

What social-distancing measures will you have in place in classrooms?

When possible, we will move desks apart and use other common-sense practices; due to space constraints as well as the nature of teaching and learning, we will not be able to consistently maintain six feet of distance between students or six feet of distance between students and teachers or other staff who work with students.

Where will my child eat lunch?

We will be splitting each high school lunch period between lunch and study hall, to reduce in half the number of students in the cafeteria at the same time. We will be splitting the middle school population, with half of the students each lunch period, on a rotating pattern, eating in the cafeteria and half eating in the classroom (cafeteria meals will be available in to-go bags for students eating in the classroom; students will still have the opportunity to select their meal choices for this model). Elementary schools will vary, based on size, between models where we add lunch periods to reduce the volume in the classroom and models where we split the population each lunch period between the cafeteria and classroom (cafeteria meals will be available in to-go bags for students eating in the classroom; students will still have the opportunity to select their meal choices for this model). Your child’s school will share specific plans with you the week before school starts.

 

[Rafi]

Remember Cherokee County, GA? It was a big hit on social media in the fall when a kid posted a picture of kids in the hall, maskless, and then the kid who posted the photo was suspended.

https://www.cherokeek12.net/Content2/7498

Thanks. I do remember that, but I think it was a high school without masks and was before we got crushed in the fall. I clicked on the link you provided and the first pic was of a high school cheerleading team - all in masks. But I'm sure you're right that there are probably some places where elementary school kids don't wear masks.

 

[thatguy2016]

Thanks. I do remember that, but I think it was a high school without masks and was before we got crushed in the fall. I clicked on the link you provided and the first pic was of a high school cheerleading team - all in masks. But I'm sure you're right that there are probably some places where elementary school kids don't wear masks.

the link I provided was to the rules published by the school system, which state that masks are not required for students

and - I am 100% positive that a meaningful percentage of elementary students in that district do not wear masks

 

[Rafi]

the link I provided was to the rules published by the school system, which state that masks are not required for students

and - I am 100% positive that a meaningful percentage of elementary students in that district do not wear masks

Gotcha. Good info - thanks for providing it.

 

[birdman]

2&2, why do you think there has been so little flu?

The answer is not known, but it is likely multifactorial:

-The main vector for influenza is young children in school. Many of those kids are not in school this year, and those that are universally mask, hand wash, and distance (small classes, no cafeteria, etc.).
-Others masking, washing, distancing also slows spread
-No travel between countries has decreased spread
-We had a massive die-off of our vulnerable population from COVID, so those people are not hospitalized
-Increased flu vaccines
-Efficacy of flu vaccines? (some years we predict the strains better than others)

Maybe, but I think it makes a more sense the Cuomo is just fudging the Flu numbers so he can get another COVID book deal.

 

[Shooshmoo]

When the Luv Guv has lost CNN... ruh roh

And here you see the difference between CNN and Fox News, and democrats and republicans. Thank you for raising this.

 

[Tobacco Road]

The rubes haven't been ignoring that data at all, they have been pushing for schools to go back the entire time. The WFHElite are the ones who have been pushing for teachers to jump everyone else in the vaccine line and keep kids out of school, despite the data that you cite indicating there is extremely minimal risk in a school setting. Just look at the other Covid thread this afternoon to see the focus on jumping teachers to the front of the line. So who is it that is ignoring the #science to support their own biases? This entire farce moved from a scientific issue to a bias issue as soon as the media realized they could use it ensure Trump's removal. There is nobody at this point who looks at it without their own political bias coming into play.

Your lack of insight doesn't even give a starting point to try to help you understand this, if you even want to.
Rubes weren't pushing for schools based on data the entire time. There wasn't data the entire time. They were pushing to ignore the significance of the virus at all levels because that's what Trump told them to do.
Teachers haven't jumped everyone else. I'm not in North Carolina and have not kept up with the WFHElite, whoever the fuck that is. Pretty early the American Academy of Pediatrics was recommending young kids attend school in person. The CDC has recommended that. Fauci has encouraged that. The medical community has supported that most of the way. It doesn't fit your narrative to be smarter than everyone else, though.
It has clearly been the rubes like you that have ignored, and failed to understand, #science. This was Trump's crisis and he ran from it. He wanted other people to make the hard decisions for him. The media did not create that narrative.

Your last sentence has some truth for a lot of people. Perhaps, you might consider how it drives the stupid shit you post.