ImTheCaptain
I disagree with you
You know what else happened in the recent 5 years? Conservatives took power.
and nobody is backing down from uncomfortable conversations
kind of a rich accusation from someone who chose to have a one-way conversation via the rep system for years, the opposite of "an uncomfortable conversation"
people have shared their discomfort with it all for years from our many different perspectives, including the fact that police do in fact often make me feel safe while I hear from members in my community that they do not, that the only time I've ever had a gun in my face was by a police officer because I yelled "we're cruising bitches" out of a window, that I've personally watched police abuse people several times
so I don't really want to hear from you that we're incapable of uncomfortable conversations -- disagreement does not mean disengagement from an issue
I know you don't want to hear it, but that doesn't mean it isn't obviously true.
Interesting that jhmd is staking out a position that policing is an independent variable and crime is the dependent variable.
so perhaps they were the ones that were uncomfortable
speaking of avoidance of uncomfortable convos, you surely skip a lot of content and data to cherry pick one clause to respond to
any insight on any of the national level data shared, the increase of spending in MSP, or pretty much any other post of substance sandwiched between your two most recent?
also, the police are the ones tracking the 'statistics'
Once again, I appreciate ITC's honesty. Here's the local appetite for data that doesn't fit the narrative:
I will slyly push this argument: your party has been promoting police reform, defunding and abolition. Violent crime is sky-rocketing nationwide, reversing decades long downward trends*1. I asked how abolitionists prevent or explain this alarming trend. Four pages later the closest thing I received to a response was Tunnels speak for "pandemic what are u gonna do?" (S/O ITC). Ph (to his credit) mentioned common sense gun reform (agree, BTW), but we had a couple of guns prior to 2020 when crime was plummeting so it's hard to hang one's hat on that). Mostly I got "You can't prove causation to me and even if you do I don't trust data collected by cops" and the obligatory three references to Trump. Is it so hard to believe that less policing has led to more crime?
*1: Per FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2019, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-68%), murder/non-negligent manslaughter (-47%) and aggravated assault (-43%). (It’s not possible to calculate the change in the rape rate during this period because the FBI revised its definition of the offense in 2013.) Meanwhile, the property crime rate fell 55%, with big declines in the rates of burglary (-69%), motor vehicle theft (-64%) and larceny/theft (-49%).
As far as I know, there ain’t many (1-3?) abolitionists hereabouts.
also, the police are the ones tracking the 'statistics'
You have yet to show the "less policing." Only the talk of less policing.
And to anyone not trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, a rise in crime in a year which saw people losing their livelihoods and starving in record numbers should jump out as highly correlated.
It's going to be hard for communities and police to get back together when the community can't seem to universally agree that police should try and stop an active shooter/stabber.