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Banning Critical Race Theory

I'm sure this percentage will increase considerably if the GOP succeeds in passing all these new laws around the country.

 
WFFaithful said:
“For too long, power-hungry bureaucrats and self-interested teachers unions have kept students shackled to failing government-run schools. They have done everything in their power to maintain a tight monopoly on K-12 education. During the pandemic, we saw just how detrimental this can be for students. That is why we need school choice now more than ever.”. Virginia Foxx
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An idiot and asshole.

Perfect Republican.
 
deaconson said:
you?

the last part can't be true if you are pro voucher (credit or whatever you want to call it). as mdmh says, removing that money from public schools harms public schools.
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The good faith reader would have noted these words "within the closed universe of public options".
 
WokeandBroke said:
The good faith reader would have noted these words "within the closed universe of public options".
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The good faith reader would notice I included a question mark specifically because I'm pretty sure you have been pro charter school and you specifically say you want money to follow the student. Am I miss remembering that? Your post above felt contradictory thus the question mark rather than something else.
 
Highland Deac said:
The party of small government goes Orwellian in classrooms. And btw, these same Iowa Republicans also banned the press from the state legislature floor.

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Jesus people. Get a fucking job. Indoctrinate your kids however you want when you get home.
 
deaconson said:
The good faith reader would notice I included a question mark specifically because I'm pretty sure you have been pro charter school and you specifically say you want money to follow the student. Am I miss remembering that? Your post above felt contradictory thus the question mark rather than something else.
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Charter. Schools. ARE. Public. Schools.
 
there are several reasons why conservatives are anti public schools

1. a conditioned kneejerk anti-government everything reaction that has been drilled into them by decades of propaganda.
2. a libertarian resistance to their tax dollars going to pay for somebody else's education which includes walling off property tax bases into public school enclaves that turn into self-funded quasi public schools with all of the best resources and money.
3. the religious base tying into the cultural warriors who are anti any sort of diversity creeping into the public education system.

Creating competition and improving performance is great in the abstract, but it invariably morphs back into excluding most from the best opportunities due to the 3 points above.
 
Creating competition doesn’t make sense in any system in which we want everyone to win. The whole purpose of competition is to create winners and losers. Competition in public schools means some children are publicly funded losers.

For those more familiar with the history of conservative thought, was there resistance to public education before Brown v. Board? From what I know, private K-12 education expanded dramatically during and after Brown. Before that it was mostly boarding schools for the elites.
 
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WokeandBroke said:
Charter. Schools. ARE. Public. Schools.
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Fair point. I was thinking more of the public money, in the form of vouchers, for private (often religious) schools. If you are against that then I can understand your point.

However, I agree with the points about creating competition between have and have not schools is still a bad idea.
 
Charter schools are publicly funded but mostly privately owned for profit schools. It’s disingenuous to lump them with non-profit public schools tasked with serving all students not a select few.
 
Says schools need accountability.
Supports charter schools.
Increases "accountability" for traditional public schools while decreasing "regulations" for charter schools.
 
That’s the scheme. If charter schools were the solution, they’d give public schools the same freedom. They don’t. That’s because the purpose of charters is to segregate and line pockets.
 
PhDeac said:
That’s the scheme. If charter schools were the solution, they’d give public schools the same freedom. They don’t. That’s because the purpose of charters is to segregate and line pockets.
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In NC Charters don't have to provide bus transportation for students, don't have to provide free or reduced school lunches for needy students, and only 50% of the faculty has to have a teaching license (which shows what GOP pols and some Democratic ones really think of teaching as a profession). And those are just some of the exceptions for Charters compared to traditional public schools.
 
Highland Deac said:
In NC Charters don't have to provide bus transportation for students, don't have to provide free or reduced school lunches for needy students, and only 50% of the faculty has to have a teaching license (which shows what GOP pols and some Democratic ones really think of teaching as a profession). And those are just some of the exceptions for Charters compared to traditional public schools.
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But what are their performance metrics?!?!?
 
Proposed OK bill will allow parents to sue individual teachers up to 10k "per incident, per individual" for teaching their child anything that conflicts with the parent or student's religious beliefs. The money would have to be paid by the teacher and not school funds, and if they couldn't pay they could be fired. Parents could also demand that schools remove any book with perceived "anti-religious" content, or the parents could sue the school for 10k. Under this law, merely discussing abortion, LGBT issues, evolution, and other topics in classrooms could all be forbidden.

At least we're now getting to the heart of why all this is happening in schools - "How dare you teach anything that might contradict what I'm telling them at home!" We've now had proposed bills in different states to put cameras in classrooms for parents to livestream, make teachers put every material and lesson plan they plan to teach online for parental approval, and now this. Public schools are just going to collapse if this continues.

 
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Seems like government restricting speech.
 
Highland Deac said:
Proposed OK bill will allow parents to sue individual teachers up to 10k "per incident, per individual" for teaching their child anything that conflicts with the parent or student's religious beliefs. The money would have to be paid by the teacher and not school funds, and if they couldn't pay they could be fired. Parents could also demand that schools remove any book with perceived "anti-religious" content, or the parents could sue the school for 10k. Under this law, merely discussing abortion, LGBT issues, evolution, and other topics in classrooms could all be forbidden.

At least we're now getting to the heart of why all this is happening in schools - "How dare you teach anything that might contradict what I'm telling them at home!" We've now had proposed bills in different states to put cameras in classrooms for parents to livestream, make teachers put every material and lesson plan they plan to teach online for parental approval, and now this. Public schools are just going to collapse if this continues.

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thanks, SCOTUS
 
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