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Pro Life / Pro Choice Debate

Worth mentioning over and over again that 60% of women who currently get abortions are *already* mothers. It’s the literal definition of family planning to recognize the limits of your own parenting ability. This isn’t about goddamn selfishness or convenience. This is our government mandating that every broken condom and missed birth control pill result in a unwanted lifetime responsibility. It’s more child hunger, greater poverty, less women in the workforce, higher crime. It’s the government literally forcing women to carry pregnancy and give birth, which itself is dangerous.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
So then do you have a problem with the killing of the you at 2 days old, if the existence of said you still has not developed?
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personally? yes, because I recognize the formation of life by birth even though a concept of the self has not yet formed.

killing a two-day old wouldn't kill a subject but it would end a life, imo.

the problem remains with your original formation of being able to think about the you as abortable, which seems necessarily impossible and a bad rhetorical exercise.

not sure what theology has to do with it.
 
It’s God’s will to carry a rapist’s baby or a dead fetus but not to pay taxes.
 
it seems like the big rallying cry around overturning Roe is that women who get abortions are just trying to undo the mistake of a drunken evening or the aftermath of high school prom (see TheReff's post). but then you have SO MANY stories like birdman's that just absolutely fall on deaf ears.
 
BarcaDeac said:
it seems like the big rallying cry around overturning Roe is that women who get abortions are just trying to undo the mistake of a drunken evening or the aftermath of high school prom (see TheReff's post). but then you have SO MANY stories like birdman's that just absolutely fall on deaf ears.
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It’s almost as if women aren’t given their own voice in this.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Worth mentioning over and over again that 60% of women who currently get abortions are *already* mothers. It’s the literal definition of family planning to recognize the limits of your own parenting ability. This isn’t about goddamn selfishness or convenience. This is our government mandating that every broken condom and missed birth control pill result in a unwanted lifetime responsibility. It’s more child hunger, greater poverty, less women in the workforce, higher crime. It’s the government literally forcing women to carry pregnancy and give birth, which itself is dangerous.
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Less women in the workforce you say? Hmmmmm
 
PhDeac said:
It’s God’s will to carry a rapist’s baby or a dead fetus but not to pay taxes.
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god never gives you a challenge you can't handle. He knows what you need. A good rapin', a birthin', a life long raisin' ... without the most basic assistance available.

And now even education is in the cross hairs (for a long time but abbott is truly launching the largest salvo ever.)
 
Makes sense. Getting rid of abortion would be huge for child trafficking which we know conservative projectionists love.
 
How right-wing media operates. The Wall Street Journal posts an article telling liberals not to worry that overturning Roe will lead conservatives to overturn other progressive Supreme Court decisions. Yet just 3 years ago the Journal printed a similar article mocking liberals for being concerned that Roe itself would ever be overturned. Yet here we are. "Don't be silly, liberals, we'll never overturn Roe! We just did? Well, don't be silly liberals, we'll never go after anything else! We just did? Well, don't be silly..." And on and on.

 
Birdman, I’m so sorry for your mom. I’ll guarantee you that every single person in this board knows someone who has had or should have had an abortion. If you think you don’t, it may be because they don’t think you’re a safe person to tell.

If you know me (which most don’t) you know someone who’s had three. The first at 17 weeks when the fetus was deemed to have a chromosomal abnormality inconsistent with life. The second a stillbirth at 20 weeks. My first two pregnancies. Third was a miscarriage/D&C.

I don’t tell my story often because I’m not into people trying to weaponize my pain against me. And yes, that’s happened. Maybe that’s why more pregnant people don’t share.
 
WakeForestRanger said:
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It’s true that adoptions are hard to come by these days. We got super lucky. And I know the reason why, but still in all of these harsh state laws and such there’s never one peep about how to facilitate adoptions more easily. They might generically mention adoptions but no plans or programs.
 
Thank you for sharing. It helps us understand. We live in a patriarchal society that marginalizes women’s health. I wish more people felt free to share their stories without being stigmatized.

If Republicans had any empathy, we wouldn’t be where we are. We just live in an ugly world in which people like TheReff, 2&2, Junebug, and the like hate women for making difficult decisions with their own bodies. And they want to do little to help women who decide to have children as well.
 
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