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Saudi World Golf Tour 2022/2023 Thread

donaldross said:
I would be quite surprised. But if so, that’s about the only thing I know, that would halt this train.
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Agreed completely that Augusta holds a ton of sway and a formal announcement would likely end the defections.

But, what if it didn't? If guys kept leaving the Masters would both water down its field and eliminate several past champions in DJ, Sergio, Reed, Schwartzel, and Phil. Tiger's health is a huge question mark. Part of the mystique of Augusta is seeing the old guys on the leaderboard until Saturday. In 10 years (or now, with Phil), those will be the old champions. Along with Tiger those guys have won 12 of the last 25 Masters.

I think the Augusta guys are too smart to put their necks out like that, but it will be fascinating to watch it unfold.
 
Yea Ridley seemed pretty clear in April that they were just pro golf and not getting in this. I’d imagine the next time your hear from them will be months down the road — which as the USGA properly said could be a whole different landscape.

But when they speaks folks listen. Banning someone from ordinary pga tour events doesn’t carry much weight. DJ and most who have now been paid 100 mil don’t want to play in them anyway.
 
The Augusta ban would be the deal breaker. I’ve seen the rumors on-line, as well. Question is if they were going to do that, why not do it already? That would have put the end to this league before it started. Obviously, Augusta can do what it wants, but I would be disappointed at the precedent. What tour a player plays for should not be a bar to playing in the event. They can set up the exemptions to favor one tour over another, but it should not be a complete bar.
 
Les Grossman said:
The Augusta ban would be the deal breaker. I’ve seen the rumors on-line, as well. Question is if they were going to do that, why not do it already? That would have put the end to this league before it started. Obviously, Augusta can do what it wants, but I would be disappointed at the precedent. What tour a player plays for should not be a bar to playing in the event. They can set up the exemptions to favor one tour over another, but it should not be a complete bar.
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I mean, Augusta is a private club. They’ve historically excluded members based on race and gender.

A private club is absolutely free to exclude players from its tournament based on the fact they are largely funded by a unitary Islamic absolute monarchy with a history of human rights violations and murder.
 
LIV should ban people who participate in the masters, saying that it's not appropriate to use golf to sportswash a racist and misogynistic rich old guys culture
 
When do these LIV guys see these big payouts for defecting? If this thing soon folds, either the Saudis wasted a bunch of money for nothing (no skin off their backs I’m sure), or these defectors tarnished their reputations for nothing.
 
DeaconCav06 said:
I mean, Augusta is a private club. They’ve historically excluded members based on race and gender.

A private club is absolutely free to exclude players from its tournament based on the fact they are largely funded by a unitary Islamic absolute monarchy with a history of human rights violations and murder.
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I’m sure there’s a few CEOs of oil companies who are members.
 
Some of those CEOs are also "Saudi backed." Gasp. Cancel culture them all!!


The PIF has 38% stake in Posco Engineering & Construction Co., a 5% stake in Uber (for $3.5 billion), and a 5% stake in the video game companies Capcom and Nexon (for $1 billion).[19] In March 2016, it was announced that ownership of Saudi Aramco would be transferred to the PIF and that the Kingdom will seek to list 5 percent of Aramco's shares by 2017.[20] PIF owns Qiddiyah,[21] spearheads the Red Sea project for luxury beach resorts,[22][23] and owns the closed joint-stock company named NEOM.[24][25] PIF owns a 5.7% stake (valued at $500 million) in concert distributor Live Nation.[26] In 2020, PIF purchased minority stakes in major U.S. companies including Boeing, Facebook and Citigroup.[27] PIF disclosed a $713.7 million stake in Boeing, around $522 million in Citigroup, a $522 million stake in Facebook, a $495.8 million stake in Disney and a $487.6 million stake in Bank of America. It also disclosed a small stake in Berkshire Hathaway.
 
ABCDeac said:
Agreed completely that Augusta holds a ton of sway and a formal announcement would likely end the defections.

But, what if it didn't? If guys kept leaving the Masters would both water down its field and eliminate several past champions in DJ, Sergio, Reed, Schwartzel, and Phil. Tiger's health is a huge question mark. Part of the mystique of Augusta is seeing the old guys on the leaderboard until Saturday. In 10 years (or now, with Phil), those will be the old champions. Along with Tiger those guys have won 12 of the last 25 Masters.

I think the Augusta guys are too smart to put their necks out like that, but it will be fascinating to watch it unfold.
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DJ and Phil before his dumbass interview are the only past Masters champs anyone would notice aren't there

Everyone seems to universally hate Reed and find Sergio annoying
 
donaldross said:
Some of those CEOs are also "Saudi backed." Gasp. Cancel culture them all!!


The PIF has 38% stake in Posco Engineering & Construction Co., a 5% stake in Uber (for $3.5 billion), and a 5% stake in the video game companies Capcom and Nexon (for $1 billion).[19] In March 2016, it was announced that ownership of Saudi Aramco would be transferred to the PIF and that the Kingdom will seek to list 5 percent of Aramco's shares by 2017.[20] PIF owns Qiddiyah,[21] spearheads the Red Sea project for luxury beach resorts,[22][23] and owns the closed joint-stock company named NEOM.[24][25] PIF owns a 5.7% stake (valued at $500 million) in concert distributor Live Nation.[26] In 2020, PIF purchased minority stakes in major U.S. companies including Boeing, Facebook and Citigroup.[27] PIF disclosed a $713.7 million stake in Boeing, around $522 million in Citigroup, a $522 million stake in Facebook, a $495.8 million stake in Disney and a $487.6 million stake in Bank of America. It also disclosed a small stake in Berkshire Hathaway.
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cool - well maybe the backlash on LIV will bring some of these relationships into the spotlight as well

hypocrisy and whataboutism doesn't make playing on the LIV tour OK
 
My company got half our revenue last year from
MBS. Guess I shoulda quit in protest
 
It’s obvious these LIV players (the few that can break 80 at least) are assuming that it will fold soon. So they’re getting their big check and expecting to serve some short suspension and then be back playing the PGA Tour in six months anyway - best of both worlds.
 
Some stuff I heard I various pods/picked up on Twitter rumor mill:

Bryson got 100M
Ogletree has no guaranteed money. Basically one event, so he is one who will be dropped first as N
new guys come in.
LIV has NOT applied for ranking with the OWGR yet.

They really have purged the tour of all the malcontent whiners. Gonna need some new black hats to rise up!
 
cville deac said:
Nope, he's a thankful to be playing the PGA tour guy and recognizes what it's done for his life - 1 of the more offbeat personalities on tour. Saw a podcast with him 1 time. He thinks highly of his cooking and grilling, and he could drink all of us under the table.
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I could see Pat Perez absolutely going. Older guys like him usually are looking towards the senior tour as a nice payday. He is 46 and his days of regular tour events are almost at an end. Guys like him are prime targets to cash in IMO. He has zero chance at any sort of other legacy in the game anymore.
 
cville deac said:
Nope, he's a thankful to be playing the PGA tour guy and recognizes what it's done for his life - 1 of the more offbeat personalities on tour. Saw a podcast with him 1 time. He thinks highly of his cooking and grilling, and he could drink all of us under the table.
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Perez, Wolff, and Bubba are in the next wave.

Liquid Karma said:
Some stuff I heard I various pods/picked up on Twitter rumor mill:

Bryson got 100M
Ogletree has no guaranteed money. Basically one event, so he is one who will be dropped first as N
new guys come in.
LIV has NOT applied for ranking with the OWGR yet.

They really have purged the tour of all the malcontent whiners. Gonna need some new black hats to rise up!
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Heard this last night as well and oh my god this could be one hell of a disaster for him. Potentially burning the PGA tour bridge, which he wasn't finding any luck on to begin with, all to come in last place, make $120k, and then get bumped out of LIV after one tournament, with even less playing opportunities, all because of entitlement.
 



It's amazing to me how bad all their marketing content is with the amount of money they've thrown at this thing.
 
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