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Saudi World Golf Tour 2022/2023 Thread

Everyone should remember that the face of LIV is the guy who brushed off his epic Masters choke by responding that he had a lot of money and therefore it did not matter. This is exactly on brand for Norman.
 
deacz said:
Everyone should remember that the face of LIV is the guy who brushed off his epic Masters choke by responding that he had a lot of money and therefore it did not matter. This is exactly on brand for Norman.
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There was a time many years ago I liked Greg Norman, but I'm ashamed I ever did considering what douche-bag he is and probably always has been.
 
Liquid Karma said:
I could see Pat Perez absolutely going. Older guys like him usually are looking towards the senior tour as a nice payday. He is 46 and his days of regular tour events are almost at an end. Guys like him are prime targets to cash in IMO. He has zero chance at any sort of other legacy in the game anymore.
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I saw Pat back in February give a long and rambling interview about the LIV, and he was pretty darn clear that he had no intention of going there and that he was happy on the PGA tour. No one is surprised when folks like Norman, Phil and DeChambeau outright lie about their intentions. But Pat has always come across as a blunt and straight up guy. I'd be surprised if he were to lie about that.

Liveanddie, so is Kari Webb. I cut and pasted a piece from TGC yesterday. Great comments from Webb.


World Golf Hall of Fame member Karrie Webb is one of the most decorated players in the history of women’s golf, and she’s worried about the where the game is headed.

In an appearance Wednesday on "Golf Today," Webb was asked about the turmoil taking place in the men’s game and whether she was concerned that the LPGA might endure the same.

“Yeah, I am,” Webb said. “In the women’s game it’s really hard because obviously you want as many women to have the opportunity to play the game, but as women I feel like we should be standing with all women. And the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia, we shouldn’t be supporting that.”


LIV Golf is funded by the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund, which has been controlled by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler, since 2015.

While LIV Golf has dominated headlines on the men’s side, it’s been mostly quiet with the LPGA and LET tours.

The only real news of note was in late May when Greg Norman – the CEO of Saudi-backed LIV Golf – said LIV Golf approached the LPGA and LET with “a substantial investment,” and that both tours rejected the offer.

The LPGA was quick to deny Norman’s claim, simply saying, “The LPGA Tour has not received an offer from LIV Golf.”

Webb grew up idolizing fellow Aussie Norman, but after Norman brushed off Saudi Arabia's human-rights atrocities last month, Webb tweeted: "The little girl in me just died well and truly!!" When asked on "Golf Today" if she still felt that way, she responded: "She's still well and truly dead."

Webb hopes the women’s game will continue to make the LPGA founders proud.

“Meg Mallon [18-time LPGA winner] said it the best at the beginning of the year,” Webb said. “When our founders started this tour [LPGA],they refused to play at clubs that didn’t allow Black players or Hispanic players, and they needed to play every opportunity they could and they still refused to do that. So I feel like when we say, ‘act like a founder,’ we really need to take a page from that book.”
 
liveanddiedeac said:
There was a time many years ago I liked Greg Norman, but I'm ashamed I ever did considering what douche-bag he is and probably always has been.
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Greg Norman should be ostracized from all polite company for his awful clothing line.
 
Can't help but watch some of the early coverage and it's about what you'd expect. Every single phrase any of the announcers utter is then peppered with some kind of "this is amazing" or "incredibly exciting" or "redefining golf" or "first ever blah blah blah." It really is a lot like you'd picture Trump announcing an event at one of his clubs.

Some of my favorites so far: The fans have turned out in droves, all tickets are completely sold out, they are packed to the max on every hole and it is exactly like the Ryder Cup at its best (pan camera to show 11 people watching DJ). The course is in spectacular shape, best it's ever been, better than any tour event and most majors. Draft party was epic, players are so dedicated to their teams it's unbelievable, exciting, and changing golf as we know it. Virtually all the players have experienced being on the wrong side of a draw and think all tournaments should be shotgun starts from now on, that it's revolutionary.

There is also an incredible amount of slurping the players by all announcers - it has to be by design. Like if someone hits a short chip to 8 feet or just hits the green on a par 3 it's "OH WHAT A SHOT THESE GUYS ARE INCREDIBLE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD SO EXCITING!!!"
 
Watching some of this LivGolf on the web, I've just realized what it is. It's basically World Team Tennis, except there is shit-loads of money involved. Otherwise, it's just as cheesy as World Team Tennis.
 
cville deac said:
I saw Pat back in February give a long and rambling interview about the LIV, and he was pretty darn clear that he had no intention of going there and that he was happy on the PGA tour. No one is surprised when folks like Norman, Phil and DeChambeau outright lie about their intentions. But Pat has always come across as a blunt and straight up guy. I'd be surprised if he were to lie about that.
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Based on the stuff being circulated on twitter, prepare to be surprised.

I do think Perez is one of the most interesting guys on tour. Great interview/podcast guest and interacts with the fans and kids very well.
 
DCDeac said:
Can't help but watch some of the early coverage and it's about what you'd expect. Every single phrase any of the announcers utter is then peppered with some kind of "this is amazing" or "incredibly exciting" or "redefining golf" or "first ever blah blah blah." It really is a lot like you'd picture Trump announcing an event at one of his clubs.

Some of my favorites so far: The fans have turned out in droves, all tickets are completely sold out, they are packed to the max on every hole and it is exactly like the Ryder Cup at its best (pan camera to show 11 people watching DJ). The course is in spectacular shape, best it's ever been, better than any tour event and most majors. Draft party was epic, players are so dedicated to their teams it's unbelievable, exciting, and changing golf as we know it. Virtually all the players have experienced being on the wrong side of a draw and think all tournaments should be shotgun starts from now on, that it's revolutionary.

There is also an incredible amount of slurping the players by all announcers - it has to be by design. Like if someone hits a short chip to 8 feet or just hits the green on a par 3 it's "OH WHAT A SHOT THESE GUYS ARE INCREDIBLE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD SO EXCITING!!!"
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The golf looks like any other professional golf tournament event I've ever watched, except the leaderboard looks really cheesy. Of course it's all by design, surprised they didn't pull any pro wrestling announcers to do the broadcast. I mean it just seems so low budget for something that is spending all that money to get players. Shotgun freaking start? Even most club championships aren't shotgun start. Sounds like a captains choice tournament at the local muni with somebody selling mulligans, skirts and throws.
 
deacz said:
Everyone should remember that the face of LIV is the guy who brushed off his epic Masters choke by responding that he had a lot of money and therefore it did not matter. This is exactly on brand for Norman.
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And why you shouldn't be surprised at who is defending it here.
 
The PGA tour's position today is that you should take less money and stay with us. Because we are honorable and noble. And Jack and Arnie and Tiger built our legacy.

Good luck with that. Bobby Jones thought the PGA Tour was immoral and unhonorable since they gave away prize money. No mention of Mr. Jones in the press release.

It's ok to whore yourself out for money, the PGA Tour says, so long as you only whore yourself out for them.
 
DCDeac said:
Can't help but watch some of the early coverage and it's about what you'd expect. Every single phrase any of the announcers utter is then peppered with some kind of "this is amazing" or "incredibly exciting" or "redefining golf" or "first ever blah blah blah." It really is a lot like you'd picture Trump announcing an event at one of his clubs.

Some of my favorites so far: The fans have turned out in droves, all tickets are completely sold out, they are packed to the max on every hole and it is exactly like the Ryder Cup at its best (pan camera to show 11 people watching DJ). The course is in spectacular shape, best it's ever been, better than any tour event and most majors. Draft party was epic, players are so dedicated to their teams it's unbelievable, exciting, and changing golf as we know it. Virtually all the players have experienced being on the wrong side of a draw and think all tournaments should be shotgun starts from now on, that it's revolutionary.

There is also an incredible amount of slurping the players by all announcers - it has to be by design. Like if someone hits a short chip to 8 feet or just hits the green on a par 3 it's "OH WHAT A SHOT THESE GUYS ARE INCREDIBLE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD SO EXCITING!!!"
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Thanks for the run down, makes me glad I am not watching :)
 
Liquid Karma said:
Based on the stuff being circulated on twitter, prepare to be surprised.

I do think Perez is one of the most interesting guys on tour. Great interview/podcast guest and interacts with the fans and kids very well.
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I like Perez, it's never good to be on record saying something then going back on it, but if he wants to cash in at this point in his career, then more power to him. I still hope LivGolf does a face plant though.
 
DCDeac said:
Can't help but watch some of the early coverage and it's about what you'd expect. Every single phrase any of the announcers utter is then peppered with some kind of "this is amazing" or "incredibly exciting" or "redefining golf" or "first ever blah blah blah." It really is a lot like you'd picture Trump announcing an event at one of his clubs.

Some of my favorites so far: The fans have turned out in droves, all tickets are completely sold out, they are packed to the max on every hole and it is exactly like the Ryder Cup at its best (pan camera to show 11 people watching DJ). The course is in spectacular shape, best it's ever been, better than any tour event and most majors. Draft party was epic, players are so dedicated to their teams it's unbelievable, exciting, and changing golf as we know it. Virtually all the players have experienced being on the wrong side of a draw and think all tournaments should be shotgun starts from now on, that it's revolutionary.

There is also an incredible amount of slurping the players by all announcers - it has to be by design. Like if someone hits a short chip to 8 feet or just hits the green on a par 3 it's "OH WHAT A SHOT THESE GUYS ARE INCREDIBLE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD SO EXCITING!!!"
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Did you catch the first putt Kaymer had when the announcer said "and now on to this historic moment" or something to that effect.

Foltz calling it a sell out when they gave away spectator tickets for free was pretty sweet.

One thing I like so far is the scoreboard on the left of the screen similar to F1. Graphics need some work, but that concept plays way better than horizontal, at least for me.
 
Pilchard said:
PGA Tour takes the anticipated step of suspending the 17 PGA Tour players that jumped to LIV: https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34063037/pga-tour-suspends-all-players-taking-part-first-liv-golf-tournament
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Appears that Jay Monahan is appropriately taking this as the existential threat it is because the PGA has always been mum about league punishments in the past. The DP needs to follow suit because it's an even larger threat to them. And I get that it's a bit late the year for the USGA and R&A to take any action this year, but it's my hope they get together this Fall with the PGAofA and Masters folks and ban LIV participants from future majors and grant them little to no world rankings points.
 
I really like how Phil has totally embraced the bad guy look with the 5 o'clock shadow and black duds. Rory should go all white today in Canada.
 
Just watched some of the coverage and it was fine. I, too, like the scoreboard on the left.

Agree that the whole LIV vs. PGA Tour feud feels a lot like wrestling in the 90s... I actually like that part of it. Will be fun when they ultimately play a tourney against each other and one of the PGA Tour players blindsides a teammate with a steel chair before revealing that he's made the switch to LIV mid-tourney.
 
DeacsATS said:
Just watched some of the coverage and it was fine. I, too, like the scoreboard on the left.

Agree that the whole LIV vs. PGA Tour feud feels a lot like wrestling in the 90s... I actually like that part of it. Will be fun when they ultimately play a tourney against each other and one of the PGA Tour players blindsides a teammate with a steel chair before revealing that he's made the switch to LIV mid-tourney.
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I think the only thing that kept some tour players from absolutely airing out cheaters like Reed, or flat whipping his ass in the parking lot, was the tour code of conduct. Should be entertaining watching Reed function in a world without protection...
 
If you are opposed to this tour, don't watch. If you give them the click on youtube, you are giving them the viewership they need to keep moving forward.
 
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