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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

PhDeac said:
This round of expansion isn’t about footprint. It’s about brands, ratings, and ad dollars.
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This is 1000% the truth.

This is all about what schools are most likely to produce a TV ratings bonanza nationally.

I find it funny seeing fans of schools like Indiana, Illinois, Vandy and Mississippi State crowing about their leagues expanding. Like one guy I know was crowing about getting the NY TV market with Rutgers. I had to point out to him that I live in Minnesota and that buying a basic sports program gets me every college conference network. And like everyone else in the country, you couldn't pay me to actually watch Rutgers play football. This is all about the big national broadcasters and the fight for content between Fox and ESPN going forward.

The next logical step after the dust settles from this round is for Texas, Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State to wake up and ask why they aren't in a league together and just abandon Indiana and Vandy.

But yeah, for now, this is all about winning the eye ball war as a league and leaving other leagues in the proverbial dust.
 
BarcaDeac said:
Wonder if ESPN is even going to pay attention to “lesser” teams like us this year. They already went to Athens and Columbus (or away sites for those teams) like every other week last season.
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A good litmus test will be week 3: obvious choice is between Miami/TAMU or Oklahoma/Nebraska, but the wildcard would be Grambling at Jackson State. Lots of hype around Deon and higher interest in HBCU programs in general, and ESPN does have rights to the Celebration Bowl so good opportunity to hype it.
 
The sad fact right now is this. If Wake Forest were to beat Clemson all hell breaks loose on how bad the ACC is. They did it to the ACC last year in both the major sports. It won't be Wake is good ever. We have the worst PR times ten of all conferences.
 
macktheknife said:
The sad fact right now is this. If Wake Forest were to beat Clemson all hell breaks loose on how bad the ACC is. They did it to the ACC last year in both the major sports. It won't be Wake is good ever. We have the worst PR times ten of all conferences.
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There will always be this kind of sentiment until we have an uninterrupted decade of 10 win seasons, but it's possible that we'd be talking about a ranked match up this year if both are undefeated, so it wouldn't be as bad as it could be.
 
Both teams will start off ranked so it could be a top 15 or top 10 matchup in Week 4.
 
deacdixieboy said:
Maybe a dumb question, but when the Raycom/Bally deal ends in a few years do we have some rights to sell? I could see Apple ponying up for an ACC game of the week.
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ESPN owns all the ACC rights. Once the Ballys deal ends, they would either keep those additional games in house, or (more than likely, since they still won't have room for them) sublicense those games to another provider. Either way, it won't result in a windfall for the conference.
 
I'm not even sure what order I care about these things (I'm too tired to think about it right now) but I care about Wake Forest remaining a top academic school and care about us having fun / good sports teams to watch. I don't necessarily care that much who we're playing in football, I'm still going to tune in every week and cheer for the team / hope we're good. With basketball losing the teams we currently play and picking up shittier ones would be more of a dagger. I'm still on the fence about whether the ACC blowing up would hurt us that much academically. It would certainly hurt our competitiveness in sports but to be honest we have never beaten the best of the Big Ten and SEC in football anyway. So why not have a second tier league where we have a chance at a championship?

(I'm already rationalizing for when the ACC might blow up)
 
wsc8521s said:
Posted before but a couple reasons I think it will be Wisconsin-Ohio State:

*They've already announced that game is going to be on ABC even though they didn't have to disclose that yet.

*Imagine ESPN will be looking to cut down on Herbie's travel where possible given his TNF schedule. The Thursday night game that week is in Cleveland, so that would become a super easy travel week for a dude who already lives in Ohio.

When you throw in the fact that there will be a natural tendency to discount us, I think our best hope for Gameday is ND shocking the Buckeyes in Week 1
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Herbstreit moved to Nashville a few years ago. His family was getting harassed by nutbag tOSU fans who felt he was too hard on his alma mater
 
Pilchard said:
Herbstreit moved to Nashville a few years ago. His family was getting harassed by nutbag tOSU fans who felt he was too hard on his alma mater
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So now he just resorts to sucking off the Ess Eee See and punching down at programs like Wake.
 
BarcaDeac said:
So now he just resorts to sucking off the Ess Eee See and punching down at programs like Wake.
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He has at least one kid, if not two, on the Clemson team (both walk-ons) so you’d think he’s at least have a semblance of a soft spot for the ACC.
 
DeacMan said:
Notre Dame as a full member is the ACC's Hail Mary to remain relevant.
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There is no way Notre Dame will become a full ACC member. If they ever do give up being an independent, they’re going to join the Big 10.
 
DeacMan said:
This is 1000% the truth.

This is all about what schools are most likely to produce a TV ratings bonanza nationally.

I find it funny seeing fans of schools like Indiana, Illinois, Vandy and Mississippi State crowing about their leagues expanding. Like one guy I know was crowing about getting the NY TV market with Rutgers. I had to point out to him that I live in Minnesota and that buying a basic sports program gets me every college conference network. And like everyone else in the country, you couldn't pay me to actually watch Rutgers play football. This is all about the big national broadcasters and the fight for content between Fox and ESPN going forward.

The next logical step after the dust settles from this round is for Texas, Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State to wake up and ask why they aren't in a league together and just abandon Indiana and Vandy.

But yeah, for now, this is all about winning the eye ball war as a league and leaving other leagues in the proverbial dust.
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I actually did watch one of their games last season, though IIRC it was late in the season and they lost fairly handily.
 
Frosty said:
There will always be this kind of sentiment until we have an uninterrupted decade of 10 win seasons, but it's possible that we'd be talking about a ranked match up this year if both are undefeated, so it wouldn't be as bad as it could be.
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Stanford used to get similar treatment - not nearly as bad as LOWF- but it took them 5-10 years of consistently winning 9-11 games to get respect.
 
True. FWIW, the Stanford football program has completely collapsed. They are 11-19 over the past 3 seasons, and prospects are grim for the upcoming season.
 
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