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Saudi World Golf Tour 2022/2023 Thread

DownEastDeac said:
I'm in the vast minority on this and probably for good reason, but one of my favorite viewing tournaments of the year is the Wyndham (final regular season event) to see guys in that 110-175 range either grinding or throwing caution to the wind in order to hang onto or steal a spot on next year's exempt tour. When the player is on the green with a 6-footer and the greenside monitor shows "projected FedEx finish 125", that's some pretty good drama right there, both from a golf and humanity angle.
But you're right, that's not the appeal for the casual golf viewer.
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You're talking about maybe two minutes of coverage.
 
Also, LIV can brag about snagging a few higher OWGR-ranked players, but those rankings will drop steadily unless LIV events get OWGR points (unlikely). That will further limit LIV players' chances to play in the majors.

Longer-term, the PGA Tour should announce that it will allow LIV golfers with existing eligibility to return and be reinstated after a limited period of time. That would be a "peace" deal of sorts with those players (but not LIV) and would give them the security of a landing spot if they defect from LIV.
 
I missed this, pretty good.

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potential snapshot of OWGR rankings into next year

 
deacz said:
Also, LIV can brag about snagging a few higher OWGR-ranked players, but those rankings will drop steadily unless LIV events get OWGR points (unlikely). That will further limit LIV players' chances to play in the majors.

Longer-term, the PGA Tour should announce that it will allow LIV golfers with existing eligibility to return and be reinstated after a limited period of time. That would be a "peace" deal of sorts with those players (but not LIV) and would give them the security of a landing spot if they defect from LIV.
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The problem with this - in my mind - is it allows players to jump to LIV and get their big check knowing they can do that and after a while come back. It gives them the best of both worlds and I'm afraid if you do that then everyone will do it.
 
guitardeac said:
The problem with this - in my mind - is it allows players to jump to LIV and get their big check knowing they can do that and after a while come back. It gives them the best of both worlds and I'm afraid if you do that then everyone will do it.
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Oh it's not perfect, I agree. And I don't think they should do it right away. But eventually, if the big guns stay with the PGA Tour, which has announced increased purses for a number of events, it could give the comfort of a landing pad. A lot depends on whether any more highly ranked players defect. Sorry, but Henrik Stenson does not move the needle, nor do most of the current LIVers, frankly. Yes, he is a Ryder Cup captain, but his game has also disappeared, which is what matters for actual competitive golf. A Cameron Smith would shake things up, however, as he is a currently successful player on an upward trend.
 
Uhhh, does the LIV contract allow players to go back and play PGA events ?

I doubt it.
 
BiffTannen said:
Uhhh, does the LIV contract allow players to go back and play PGA events ?

I doubt it.
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I doubt it while they are LIV members/participants, but I don't know about post-term. A poster here has the agreements, supposedly, and could enlighten us.

Looks like Trump is telling PGA Tour players to "take the money" and go LIV now, predicting a "merger" in the future where players who don't leave now get left out. Sounds about right on brand.
 
BiffTannen said:
Uhhh, does the LIV contract allow players to go back and play PGA events ?

I doubt it.
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It appears that the LIV Agreements are exclusive for the dates that LIV has events, but in addition to the majors, LIV had players in the Scottish Open, a DP/PGA joint event. Guess you have to ask Mohammed bin Salman for permission.
 
deacz said:
I doubt it while they are LIV members/participants, but I don't know about post-term. A poster here has the agreements, supposedly, and could enlighten us.

Looks like Trump is telling PGA Tour players to "take the money" and go LIV now, predicting a "merger" in the future where players who don't leave now get left out. Sounds about right on brand.
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Well nobody that has taken Trump's advice has ever done anything stupid and/or regretted it.
 
it's kind of amazing --- politics aside, if this were 2015, it would have been considered stupid to take donald trump's advice on anything
 
Trump is rumored to be announcing his 2024 campaign before the midterms. If he does, we'll have a sporting event funded by a foreign country playing on US soil owned by an ex-president and 2024 candidate when LIV goes to Doral at the end of October.
 
LIV is going to get interesting as the 9/11 families' lawsuit against the Saudi government winds along and ultimately becomes a hot topic again when it goes to a Federal Court.
 
deacz said:
Oh it's not perfect, I agree. And I don't think they should do it right away. But eventually, if the big guns stay with the PGA Tour, which has announced increased purses for a number of events, it could give the comfort of a landing pad. A lot depends on whether any more highly ranked players defect. Sorry, but Henrik Stenson does not move the needle, nor do most of the current LIVers, frankly. Yes, he is a Ryder Cup captain, but his game has also disappeared, which is what matters for actual competitive golf. A Cameron Smith would shake things up, however, as he is a currently successful player on an upward trend.
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The guys doing PGA radio on Sirius yesterday said there will be quite a shakeup when the FedEx playoffs have ended and/or the President’s Cup. Reasoning that they will be waiting on this season’s bonus monies and of course playing in a huge team event.

Something else to consider after Tiger’s tirade last week about LIV is that he has been a huge beneficiary of Saudi money in the past so he is rather two-faced in telling these guys not to go and that they have no reason to practice anymore. First off, Tiger is a washed up golfer who will probably not win a major again and probably not a regular event to bring him past Sam Snead’s all-time record of 82. Second, while he is the leader at $121 million in career earnings, he has taken around $200 million in appearance money, a lion’s share coming from Saudi, Dubai, UAE and another great human rights violator—China!
Very easy for a billionaire to tell young golfers what to do with their careers!
 
What is the commonality that causes LIV supporters to be in line with Trump supporters? Is it just their decision making process? Why does this cross-over exist?
 
MichDeac25 said:
What is the commonality that causes LIV supporters to be in line with Trump supporters? Is it just their decision making process? Why does this cross-over exist?
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It's a weird dynamic. Maybe it's the Trumper adulation of the super-rich regardless of the immorality that got them there. Kind of ironic that the PGA Tour is the LIV Tour/Trump target because that tour and the sport of golf in general is far from a liberal undertaking. Probably no professional sport has more of rich old white guy fanbase than the PGAT, and the PGAT is not at the forefront of the WOKE movement. LIV Tour is changing golf for the worse. No sport rewarded those who earned it and systematically dumped those that didn't with greater efficiency and abject fairness than golf. You don't make a cut; you don't get paid. There is no professional sport like that. Even tennis players that lose a first round match get a small check. PGA Tour is competition in its purest sense. LIV is low level golf that rewards everyone with dirty money. At a loss to understand why anyone thinks that LIV is: a) entertaining b) worth their attention; or c) morally worthy enterprise. Issues like this bum me out because if everyone can't see the evil and avarice behind this endeavor, and the harm that it causes to the future of golf, there will never be near universal agreement on any issue.
 
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TheReff said:
The guys doing PGA radio on Sirius yesterday said there will be quite a shakeup when the FedEx playoffs have ended and/or the President’s Cup. Reasoning that they will be waiting on this season’s bonus monies and of course playing in a huge team event.

Something else to consider after Tiger’s tirade last week about LIV is that he has been a huge beneficiary of Saudi money in the past so he is rather two-faced in telling these guys not to go and that they have no reason to practice anymore. First off, Tiger is a washed up golfer who will probably not win a major again and probably not a regular event to bring him past Sam Snead’s all-time record of 82. Second, while he is the leader at $121 million in career earnings, he has taken around $200 million in appearance money, a lion’s share coming from Saudi, Dubai, UAE and another great human rights violator—China!
Very easy for a billionaire to tell young golfers what to do with their careers!
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Who says Tiger is telling the players that? I happen to know he is not.
 
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