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MBB Game 5: LMU Lions Sunday 2:30 pm - CBSN

MichDeac25 said:
What is the tourney hardware? A conch shell?
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I think so, a tournament rep swims out to the end of the roped swimming area at Beach's Resort and a guy named Kevin comes by on a paddle board and sells conch shells he's freshly harvested. Seriously, we went to Beach's resort Montego Bay a few years ago and a Jamaican dude that goes by "Kevin" paddles by on his paddle board selling conch shells. Really cool dude, enjoyed talking to him and bought a couple of shells from him. We were brothers from different mothers by the end of the week.
 
I think the State 4 OT game was mentioned earlier. We did foul at the end of reg and State got the rebound on the missed FT and tied the game which lead to the 4 OTs.

Most painful one I can remember was the 94 ACCT semis. We foul UNC, they make one, miss then tie the game to send it to OT, where we lost.

Not sure Odom ever fouled again in those situations.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just that it did bite us in the butt for a huge game.
 
DCDeac said:
If Ituka makes it back to shoulder some of Appleby's load, and the Keller/Klintman duo keep developing - there's still a pretty good ceiling this team could reach even if the conference is generally bad.
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Agree re. ceiling. Yesterday's meltdown blows, but it was great to see Marsh have some good moments. Ituka will hopefully shoulder not only Appleby's load, but Hildreth's as well.
 
I'm just bummed, y'all.

We should have won that game five times over. The talent differential arguments don't really work here because we played a depleted, mediocre mid-major team. 3/4 of our roster still should have been able to cover best players.

Even before Daivien exited due to injury, he looked awful. It's hard to blame the young guys, but we have to get more from Bobi and Zach if they're going to play so much, and we really need Cam to play smarter.

Just so much blame to go around here, and that's even before our really bad (arguably kind of arrogant?) coaching display. I kind of think Forbes took this LMU squad for granted. Especially down the stretch. And they definitely made us pay for it.

I've watched a lot of bad basketball over the last decade, but that game was bad, soul crushing, and downright improbable. It's especially hard to watch that when you've got a good coach on the sidelines.
 
Great post, Strick. I get tired of Wake coaching arrogance at least when it’s not backed up by wins. Don’t talk about lack of respect then lose three games. Don’t shit on a tournament and then lose it.

One thing I do like about this team and this season is that we’ve got young player likely to grow, show significant improvement over the next four months, and we can look forward to their leadership going forward.
 
Strickland33 said:
I'm just bummed, y'all.

We should have won that game five times over. The talent differential arguments don't really work here because we played a depleted, mediocre mid-major team. 3/4 of our roster still should have been able to cover best players.

Even before Daivien exited due to injury, he looked awful. It's hard to blame the young guys, but we have to get more from Bobi and Zach if they're going to play so much, and we really need Cam to play smarter.

Just so much blame to go around here, and that's even before our really bad (arguably kind of arrogant?) coaching display. I kind of think Forbes took this LMU squad for granted. Especially down the stretch. And they definitely made us pay for it.

I've watched a lot of bad basketball over the last decade, but that game was bad, soul crushing, and downright improbable. It's especially hard to watch that when you've got a good coach on the sidelines.
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I played 4A-level high school basketball and am just absolutely amazed at how little premium is now placed upon free-throws at the major college level. Hit just 75% of our free throws and that game is not very close at the end. I mean you spend months and months practicing and can't make 15-foot gifts. It's just mind boggling to me.

Edited to add: Charlie Davis and Skip Brown would have shot 75% from the line BLINDFOLDED!!!
 
TheAbster said:
I played 4A-level high school basketball and am just absolutely amazed at how little premium is now placed upon free-throws at the major college level. Hit just 75% of our free throws and that game is not very close at the end. I mean you spend months and months practicing and can't make 15-foot gifts. It's just mind boggling to me.

Edited to add: Charlie Davis and Skip Brown would have shot 75% from the line BLINDFOLDED!!!
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I mean, we win that game 9 times out of 10 even without making a bunch of free throws. It was miserable to watch us brick free throws, but that wasn't even the 100000th most depressing thing about that game imo.
 
Strickland33 said:
I mean, we win that game 9 times out of 10 even without making a bunch of free throws. It was miserable to watch us brick free throws, but that wasn't even the 100000th most depressing thing about that game imo.
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Well, free throws are a good indicator of concentration and attention to details. And, to your point, we showed little focus or attention to detail in both the player and game management. Dribbling into the corner double-teams (stuff middle schoolers do), not using timeouts, not fouling up 3 and very lazy switches in certain situations. All of those add up!
 
We shoot FTs just fine. Appleby was a little off from the line, but shit happens.

The issue was Marsh was at the line for the ones that really mattered. Gotta hit one of those.

And I'm not sure I'd call Forbes arrogant in terms of how the endgame went. How could he have prevented Appleby basically losing the ball twice with no real pressure? I totally agree that Forbes should have called a TO when Cam was stuck in the corner, however. And I don't think I'd have gone to Cam driving at the end of regulation.

Not saying he's without fault, but the implosion felt more about a complete lack of execution.
 
DeacsATS said:
We shoot FTs just fine. Appleby was a little off from the line, but shit happens.

The issue was Marsh was at the line for the ones that really mattered. Gotta hit one of those.

And I'm not sure I'd call Forbes arrogant in terms of how the endgame went. How could he have prevented Appleby basically losing the ball twice with no real pressure? I totally agree that Forbes should have called a TO when Cam was stuck in the corner, however. And I don't think I'd have gone to Cam driving at the end of regulation.

Not saying he's without fault, but the implosion felt more about a complete lack of execution.
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We were 12/19 and shot 63% from the line. That's NOT "just fine". You have to get all of the free points that you possibly can.
 
You could have likely had several shot clock violations and survived. We played the last 80 seconds like we were behind.
 
KP said that WF had a 98.9% win probability when it led by 8 and had the ball with 1:47 left. At that point literally WF only had to not essentially f'up EVERY offensive and defensive possession to win the game.
 
also - there's something not right with that Australian dude with the mullet... right?
 
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