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2022 Football Deacs Season Thread (what a shitty end. fuck duke.)

PhDeac said:
It's not like Clawson and his staff are getting their top priorities every class and they just aren't getting it done. Winning the recruiting battles they're already having could improve the roster without dramatically changing admissions requirements.
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Perhaps. There are many facets of a 3 star recruit's game that Clawson and staff can improve and coach-up but raw speed is not one of them. And our defense is just painfully slow. Granted it might be angles or alignment at times but let's be honest. We are SLOW on defense. Maybe some training guru on here can explain how you make a person significantly faster without losing required weight for the sport.
 
TheAbster said:
I don't disagree but I also think we have significant talent issues to be a legitimate top 10 program. Our defense closing speed is just comical. I'm not sure Ditka and Parcells as coordinators could fix those problems.
We need better players and I'm not sure how that happens unless Clawson has some very frank conversations with Currie and Dr. Wente.
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we have no chance of being a top 10 program. if that is something anyone is considering, then stop.

we’ve probably become a top 50 program, which is amazing. (thanks to clawson, grobe and caldwell) we are probably approaching the top 40. hopefully that can happen, and we can continue to grow as a football program over time.
 
Let’s not forget that it doesn’t just have to be recruiting high schoolers. Go raid the secondary from every school whose coach got fired. Some of those Stanford, TAMU, etc. kids have to be both talented and smart enough to cut it in the classroom.

For what it’s worth, I think Wente and Currie will do what it takes.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
we have no chance of being a top 10 program. if that is something anyone is considering, then stop.

we’ve probably become a top 50 program, which is amazing. we are probably approaching the top 40. hopefully that can happen, and we can continue to grow as a football program over time.
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We won’t ever be a top 10 program BUT we can have years where we are a top 10 team.
 
deacdixieboy said:
We won’t ever be a top 10 program BUT we can have years where we are a top 10 team.
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I think this is right. It’s a goal we could achieve on rare occasion. It isn’t a goal we’ve achieved yet at really any point. So it’s not getting back there (as a couple others have insinuated). It’s getting there at all in the first place.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
we have no chance of being a top 10 program. if that is something anyone is considering, then stop.

we’ve probably become a top 50 program, which is amazing. (thanks to clawson, grobe and caldwell) we are probably approaching the top 40. hopefully that can happen, and we can continue to grow as a football program over time.
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Then I can give you Clawson's email and his secretary's phone because he mentioned repeatedly earlier in the season. Sounds like you need to make him aware of this fact.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
we have no chance of being a top 10 program. if that is something anyone is considering, then stop.

we’ve probably become a top 50 program, which is amazing. (thanks to clawson, grobe and caldwell) we are probably approaching the top 40. hopefully that can happen, and we can continue to grow as a football program over time.
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I absolutely reject this. What a pitiful LOWF perspective.
 
inspectah said:
I absolutely reject this. What a pitiful LOWF perspective.
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You can reject it and nobody would love for us to be a top 10 program more than me, but being a consistent top 10 program isn't going to happen at Wake Forest. We might on rare occasions be top 10 in a season, but to many cards stacked against us from size of school, size of fanbase and now NIL and even the inevitability of super conferences just make it not feasible. It's not LOWF, it's just the facts. If you believe we can be a top 10 program, then you must also believe Vanderbilt and Northwestern can be top 10 programs?
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
people frequently want to poopoo the recruiting rankings -- and they are certainly flawed -- but year over year of finishing at or near the bottom of the conference in recruiting rankings was on display across several position groups
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Especially when it comes to depth. The fall off, especially on defense, from 1st Team and 3rd Team is exponential.
 
I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a player overrun as many tackles as Smenda. When it comes to meeting a running back in the hole, he’s absolutely elite. But in space he’s missed so many backbreaking tackles.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Especially when it comes to depth. The fall off, especially on defense, from 1st Team and 3rd Team is exponential.
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Yeah, somebody said at the start of the season Clawson thought our secondary would be a strength. Our first team secondary would've been a strength I think, the problem is about midway through the season we never had our first string secondary on the field. I mean that's football, not an excuse, but despite strides we've made if we get hit hard with injuries at a certain position group, it's going to be tough for us. Of course, that's true for any program, but even more for us. I've told this before, but against Clemson at home a few years back, they were killing us and they started bringing in the 2nd string and then the 3rd string and if they numbers weren't different, you'd neve know by the look of the players. I remember specifically seeing their 3rd string defensive tackles and thinking, damn those guys look just as imposing as their first string. We get to our third string defensive tackles and it's guy that are only average sized defensive ends.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
people frequently want to poopoo the recruiting rankings -- and they are certainly flawed -- but year over year of finishing at or near the bottom of the conference in recruiting rankings was on display across several position groups
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I think if you made everyone drink truth serum, very few would poopoo the recruiting rankings. The biggest reason, by far, that Duke basketball/Clemson football have had more success than WF over the past 60+ years is that those programs have been able to choose their players first, without fail.

To me it's not worth worrying too much about recruiting when there is little that can be done to change things, and because the guys we sign chose to be Deacs.
 
Take it easy on the "we should be a top 10 program" folks. Every now and then one of them falls into money and donates absurd sums to chase their dream. Can Wake ever achieve that level of sustained dominance? Not a chance. Do we need the people who believe it's possible to keep feeding the program so that it's a frequent ACC contender? Absolutely. Just like NIL, it's all hopeless until the big boys get on board. We just don't have the masses of alumni required to move the needle via individual reasonable gifts - but we definitely have the money overall.

Wake's facilities are incredible and still getting better. The people and coaches are awesome. Marketing has been killing it. Currie has been great since he took over. Gameday experience is so much better than 10 years ago it's crazy. Expectations are so high that a 7-5 season is a disaster to many. All of that can be true and yet we're still a private school of 4k kids in Nowhere, North Carolina - and there are inescapable realities to contend with when it comes to college football at the national championship level. We do so many things well right now - just look at Miami, UVA, VaTech - huge programs with gobs of money completely floundering.

This season hurts, but no reason to lose any sense of perspective over it.
 
This season hurts more because there are so relatively few opportunities at Wake to achieve those "special" seasons. Certainly could have/should have been another 10+ win season.

I'm really intrigued to see what the new NIL fund chaired by our heavy hitters can do. We no longer have any big "needs" in terms of athletics facilities. If those millions that have been earmarked for facilities in the past start flowing into players' pockets, I'd expect our recruiting to significantly improve in football/basketball, particularly with our ability to attract proven, impact transfers.
 
Why does this thread not give substantial credit to Duke?

Duke football decided 3 years ago to copy the Wake Forest's system. Even hiring our current and former Coaches. What a smart decision. Wake Forest football has been so good for so long and with Duke matching our size, copying off of your opponents playbook was really smart. Takes a lack of ego to do that.

We should do the same with Duke's basketball program. I hear they are pretty good.
 
We've been taking 3-4 transfers each year and some really help.

This off-season, I'd like to see us do about 6:

2 on offensive line - necessary/area of major concern
2 in secondary - necessary/area of major concern seems like since about 2009
1 LB/ need speed
1 kickoff specialist

We do that, and we are right back at 9-10 wins next season.

Griffis is a winner.

This season was a weird Clawson/Hartman psychological thriller, more like horror film.
 
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