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WF Baseball Off-season Thread

Pilchard said:
The NCAA has increased the roster limit for D1 baseball to 40 for next year.

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I don't have a subscription, but I know someone reported this causing confusion this season which is why we had to cut a bunch of dudes right before the season started.

IIRC, the limit for this season was 35, but could be exceeded if you had guys directly impacted by COVID and injury, or something like that. Looks like we rostered 37, and would assume Roland and Johnson may have been the exceptions.

Not sure if this means the rule is officially being changed for next year, the same rules are in place, or something else.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
I don't have a subscription, but I know someone reported this causing confusion this season which is why we had to cut a bunch of dudes right before the season started.

IIRC, the limit for this season was 35, but could be exceeded if you had guys directly impacted by COVID and injury, or something like that. Looks like we rostered 37, and would assume Roland and Johnson may have been the exceptions.

Not sure if this means the rule is officially being changed for next year, the same rules are in place, or something else.
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Here is an excerpt from the article:

The NCAA Oversight Committee this week approved a one-year waiver for Division I Baseball programs to have a roster size of 40 players, while also allowing them to spread 11.7 scholarships over 32 players instead of the 27-counter cap that used to be in place.

Just last month, those two measures were taken up by the NCAA Student Athlete Experience Committee, and the committee overwhelmingly supported the waivers. The Oversight Committee followed suit this week, and the waiver was granted for the 2023-24 academic and athletic year.
 
mersk862 said:
Penn State must have splashed some cash. BC has a brand new facility (Penn State shares theirs with a minor league team) and the ACC is a much better conference than the Big We Can't Count.
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BC is a much better program than Penn State. That said, really hard for BC to compete in the ACC. They don't play at home for the first month+ of the season, and even with the new facility; BC's baseball facilities are a mile behind the vast majority of ACC schools.

Maryland has been the best Big 10 baseball school in recent years, but they just lost their coach, and it would be much easier for Penn State to climb to the top of the Big 10, than for BC to climb to the top of the ACC. Also, guessing that Penn State agreed to pay Gambino a lot more than what BC would/could commit to pay.

FWIW, have noticed over the past couple of years that PA produces a lot of baseball talent (there are 5 players from PA on the current WF roster, and another incoming recruit from PA; ACC teams are stocked with players from PA). So, even if Penn State can't get the very top guys, if they can just keep some of the mid-tier guys, PSU could really improve.
 
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Apologize if this was already covered, but MLB invited 300 players to its combine, including Lowder, Wilken, Keener, Sullivan and McGraw. Also, invited was WF top incoming pitching recruit Haiden Leffew from Kannapolis. So, in addition to following the draft to see who drafts our current players. Will be key to see where Leffew gets taken. If he goes in the first 10 rounds, he's likely headed to pro ball.
 
Pilchard said:
Apologize if this was already covered, but MLB invited 300 players to its combine, including Lowder, Wilken, Keener, Sullivan and McGraw. Also, invited was WF top incoming pitching recruit Haiden Leffew from Kannapolis. So, in addition to following the draft to see who drafts our current players. Will be key to see where Leffew gets taken. If he goes in the first 10 rounds, he's likely headed to pro ball.
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What makes you say he will go pro if in the first ten rounds?
 
Yeah, signing bonus for down in the 10th round is about $150,000. IMO, you're better off going to college.
 
Is Leffew > the incoming PA kid that throws 🔥🔥🔥 ?
 
signing bonuses aren’t fixed. it’s more that a team is unlikely use a top pick on a player who they haven’t already discussed signability with.

none of these guys appear to have withdrawn from the draft yet like josh hartle did, so at the moment they all seem open to signing.

morningstar said he would want a top 4 round bonus to sign.

our two guys last year, gary gill-hill and isaiah lowe, both got pretty big overslot bonuses iirc.
 
BiffTannen said:
Yeah, signing bonus for down in the 10th round is about $150,000. IMO, you're better off going to college.
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Yeah. I’d be surprised if any HS kid In The 7th rd passes up 2 years of college life. Assuming he’s got any financial help at home and decent grades etc
 
IAppreciateIt said:
signing bonuses aren’t fixed. it’s more that a team is unlikely use a top pick on a player who they haven’t already discussed signability with.

none of these guys appear to have withdrawn from the draft yet like josh hartle did, so at the moment they all seem open to signing.

morningstar said he would want a top 4 round bonus to sign.
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Well withdrawing is one thing. Telling teams on the quiet you won’t sign for less than xxx is different.

Staying in the draft does give some NIL leverage
 
WindyCityDeac said:
Well withdrawing is one thing. Telling teams on the quiet you won’t sign for less than xxx is different.

Staying in the draft does give some NIL leverage
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This is an interesting point that is a bit iffy. If you are an incoming freshman you aren’t supposed to be able to get NIL deals until you are enrolled, right? If so, then the deadline for signing a pro contract or enrolling is very very close together.
 
deacdixieboy said:
This is an interesting point that is a bit iffy. If you are an incoming freshman you aren’t supposed to be able to get NIL deals until you are enrolled, right? If so, then the deadline for signing a pro contract or enrolling is very very close together.
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#NotAnNILLawyerOrAgent

But if NIL is a wholly separate animal from the school (Allegedly), does enrollment matter at all?
 
WindyCityDeac said:
What makes you say he will go pro if in the first ten rounds?
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Because players drafted in the first 10 rounds almost always sign.

In 2022, there were 316 players taken in the first ten rounds, and 313 signed. Further, none of the three unsigned were HS players; one of the unsigned players had an injury issue arise after he was drafted. So, EVERY HS player taken in the first 10 rounds of the 2022 MLB draft signed and elected to forgo college. In 2022, the highest drafted HS player to not sign was Christian Oppor, the 334th pick in the draft; Oppor didn't go to a 4 year college; he went JUCO, and is in the 2023 draft.

If you want to get WF centric, in 2022, WF had to two HS commits that got drafted in the first 11 rounds Gary Gill Hill (6th round - #194th pick) and Isiah Lowe (11th round #330 pick) -- both signed instead of going to WF.

MLB teams don't F around with their draft picks. If they are going to use a pick in the first 10 rounds for a player, they intend to sign him, and they almost always do.
 
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Pilch, are you saying that teams don’t draft a player in the first ten rounds unless they’re sure he’s going to sign? Otherwise, they draft him later?
 
PhDeac said:
Pilch, are you saying that teams don’t draft a player in the first ten rounds unless they’re sure he’s going to sign? Otherwise, they draft him later?
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Yes, that’s what he’s saying.

If a player is viewed as a risk to not sign, he will fall in the draft and be taken with a late pick (if at all). Then, once the MLB team has assessed how much bonus pool money is going to its other draftees, the team will either make the kid a real offer and try to get him to sign or make a lowball offer that they know the kid won’t actually sign.
 
Pilch, can you please provide some context vis a vis Kam Uter?
 
Pilchard said:
Because players drafted in the first 10 rounds almost always sign.

In 2022, there were 316 players taken in the first ten rounds, and 313 signed. Further, none of the three unsigned were HS players; one of the unsigned players had an injury issue arise after he was drafted. So, EVERY HS player taken in the first 10 rounds of the 2022 MLB draft signed and elected to forgo college. In 2022, the highest drafted HS player to not sign was Christian Oppor, the 334th pick in the draft; Oppor didn't go to a 4 year college; he went JUCO, and is in the 2023 draft.

If you want to get WF centric, in 2022, WF had to two HS commits that got drafted in the first 11 rounds Gary Gill Hill (6th round - #194th pick) and Isiah Lowe (11th round #330 pick) -- both signed instead of going to WF.

MLB teams don't F around with their draft picks. If they are going to use a pick in the first 10 rounds for a player, they intend to sign him, and they almost always do.
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Sort of post hoc ergo propter hoc thing. They don’t waste the pick unless they know he’s signable. So not sure the rankings or combine invites take that into account.

So yeah I guess if someone is taken in the top 10 res it’s because they’ve already “signed”
 
deacdixieboy said:
This is an interesting point that is a bit iffy. If you are an incoming freshman you aren’t supposed to be able to get NIL deals until you are enrolled, right? If so, then the deadline for signing a pro contract or enrolling is very very close together.
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I think that is a matter of state law/regulations (and in states where it is prohibited, I believe it really only goes to the amateur status of the kid still in high school, so it’s not actually prohibited, it’s that the kid wouldn’t be able to compete in amateur (e.g., high school) athletic competitions, which wouldn’t be an issue for a high school baseball draftee).

Or do you mean more from the perspective of you aren’t supposed to be able to use NIL as an inducement to enroll at a specific school (but I think that’s pretty easy to avoid problems with - the contract basically just can’t be contingent on enrolling or living in a certain city)?
 
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