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Pitt Game Thread

Pilchard said:
Kudos to deacon14 for presenting a reasonable argument.

That said, this Board has has closed the book on Mitch Griffis after 5.5 2023 games (which seems unfair, but it is what it is), and there is no reversing course among the loudest here. He is dead to them. He's a punching bag.

FWIW, feel like Norvell (0-4 against Clawson) and FSU (no one of the FSU roster has beaten WF) really want to beat WF, and beat WF badly. It's personal for them. They have heard about WF current streak against the Noles all off-season. Unlike most seasons for the Noles, the game against WF has been circled and used to stoke the Noles for months.

So, fear that WF will take it's lumps whether the Great Santino or Mitch Griffis or Sam Hartman or Norm Snead starts. Agree with deacon14 that there is a slight chance the game would be less ugly with Griffis starting, but don't see it making a difference.
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FSU will send the house early and often and we may even be down to a 4th string QB (do we have one?) by half. We just need to speed up the game with some semblance of a run game and fight another day for our bowl season. I see two possible wins left and a bowl season given this team would be nothing short of a damn miracle.

Oh, and I would start Marucci because I believe he earned that honor. Will it make a difference against FSU? No. As even Clawson stated, not even Tom Brady would be much help with our current OL protection. They will be in our backfield the entire game. As for Griffis, it's obvious he's not physically capable of playing at this level. He's just not.
 
Pilchard said:
Kudos to deacon14 for presenting a reasonable argument.

That said, this Board has has closed the book on Mitch Griffis after 5.5 2023 games (which seems unfair, but it is what it is), and there is no reversing course among the loudest here. He is dead to them. He's a punching bag.

FWIW, feel like Norvell (0-4 against Clawson) and FSU (no one of the FSU roster has beaten WF) really want to beat WF, and beat WF badly. It's personal for them. They have heard about WF current streak against the Noles all off-season. Unlike most seasons for the Noles, the game against WF has been circled and used to stoke the Noles for months.

So, fear that WF will take it's lumps whether the Great Santino or Mitch Griffis or Sam Hartman or Norm Snead starts. Agree with deacon14 that there is a slight chance the game would be less ugly with Griffis starting, but don't see it making a difference.
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You think the Noles have Wake circled when they play LSU, Clemson, Miami and Florida?
 
TheAbster said:
FSU will send the house early and often and we may even be down to a 4th string QB (do we have one?) by half. We just need to speed up the game with some semblance of a run game and fight another day for our bowl season. I see two possible wins left and a bowl season given this team would be nothing short of a damn miracle.

Oh, and I would start Marucci because I believe he earned that honor. Will it make a difference against FSU? No. As even Clawson stated, not even Tom Brady would be much help with our current OL protection. They will be in our backfield the entire game.
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If Leonard is out then we have 3 shots to win 2 games.
 
Yeah, unless FSU shoots themselves in the foot about 12 times I don't think we are winning this one regardless of who plays QB.

However, it would be funny as hell if Wake Forest ruins FSU's best season in a decade and FSU spends a billion dollars or whatever to escape the ACC so that they can stop losing to Wake Forest
 
deacon14 said:
In this entire discussion all I've been talking about is Santino's performance on Saturday, I haven't mentioned Griffis much at all and certainly haven't mentioned anything about practice. I know you're finding fun in trying to dunk on anyone that even appears to be defending Griffis, but maybe read what I'm actually writing.

Mitch Griffis is also not a good QB. I don't know why you seem to think I believe that he is. But what I saw from Marucci doesn't fill me with anywhere near hope that things will be better than they were with Griffis. In fact, if they go with similar play calling that they were with Griffis, I'd wager it's going to be somehow even worse.

If I were the coach and all three were healthy, I think my choice at this point would be to play Kern but to go with a very conservative, run-heavy offense and hope that Clawson's quality D can win us a few more games.
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C'mon man.

deacon14 said:
Marucci has also been here for a very long time (this is year 3) and did so poorly with his QB reps that he was moved to other positions. Maybe this moment of magic will spur him on to massive unforeseen improvement, but I'm not banking on it tbh.

We tried to throw screens to Key at least 3 times that I remember, and we gained about -10 yards on those plays. If Marucci is QB, FSU is probably going to play 8 men in the box and we're going to have a very long day. To be fair, we're going to likely have a very long day regardless of who is playing QB
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Nobody here is saying Marucci is some talented QB. But he won a game, had a game winning drive, and objectively played as well or better than two other QBs who had more practice reps than him. You seem to be the only one intent on arguing against the obvious.
 
MBDeac08 said:
So we sit behind the away bench, next to student section. The students always heckle players of course, but rarely do the players return the favor.

It became obvious why Pitt is 2-5 pretty quick. Several players were up on chairs yelling back at students, pantomiming that everyone could suck their balls, all while their coach was sitting there drawing on a white board. Crazy lack of control from the coaches.

I dont think I've ever seen a team less engaged with the game than Pitt. Just a complete lack of control but pretty much par for the course with that school.
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One of the players (#5 I think?) started humping the air saying "this is how we fucked you" during #3's ejection
 
BTW...I could go a lifetime not seeing the Slow Mesh step forward pass again and be very happy. It seems to just be QBs not being able to step into a throw as the OL gets crushed into him
 
PhDeac said:
C'mon man.
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You pretty obviously were claiming that I was making the same tired argument that Griffis is some practice wizard and that's why we should keep giving him chances. I didn't say that.

I don't think that pointing out that Marucci was bad enough early in his career that he switched positions is anywhere near making the same argument, but whatever man
 
deacdixieboy said:
5.5 games is half a season. He’s not a freshman by a long shot. Are we just supposed to shit away a whole season when there is actual talent on this team?
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And he was a disaster against dregs like ODU and GT. Majority of coaches wouldn’t have granted him that long of a leash after those shit shows for 5.5 games. But hey, he earned the job in spring camp, fall camp, practice or whatever.
 
FSU will probably win easily, but this is not like playing one of the great Clemson teams with Watson/Lawrence. Their win over LSU was impressive, but they beat BC by 2, Clemson by 7, and Duke ran for nearly 6 YPC over them last week with barely any passing game. They are not unbeatable or without weaknesses. If we play inspired football - and we certainly have reason to - it can be close at the end, and then who knows. I mean, UVA just won in Chapel Hill as 23 point dogs.

To have a chance, I think we need Mustapha to play his A game. He had a rough game against Pitt. I'd love to see some early safety blitzes, because Travis will make mistakes.
 
wakelaw13 said:
FSU will probably win easily, but this is not like playing one of the great Clemson teams with Watson/Lawrence. Their win over LSU was impressive, but they beat BC by 2, Clemson by 7, and Duke ran for nearly 6 YPC over them last week with barely any passing game. They are not unbeatable or without weaknesses. If we play inspired football - and we certainly have reason to - it can be close at the end, and then who knows. I mean, UVA just won in Chapel Hill as 23 point dogs.

To have a chance, I think we need Mustapha to play his A game. He had a rough game against Pitt. I'd love to see some early safety blitzes, because Travis will make mistakes.
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One positive. At least it is a Home Game for us.
 
wakelaw13 said:
FSU will probably win easily, but this is not like playing one of the great Clemson teams with Watson/Lawrence. Their win over LSU was impressive, but they beat BC by 2, Clemson by 7, and Duke ran for nearly 6 YPC over them last week with barely any passing game. They are not unbeatable or without weaknesses. If we play inspired football - and we certainly have reason to - it can be close at the end, and then who knows. I mean, UVA just won in Chapel Hill as 23 point dogs.

To have a chance, I think we need Mustapha to play his A game. He had a rough game against Pitt. I'd love to see some early safety blitzes, because Travis will make mistakes.
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and.... I hope that our OC is designing a gameplan to offset the relentless pressure that is sure to come from FSU. Screen passes, short TE turnarounds, reverses.... anything to attempt to keep FSU honest or burn them. I think we absolutely MUST put some trickery or misdirection type plays in our offense if we have ANY chance in this game. And even that is slim. But if we choose to line-up and play traditional smash-mouth, it will be over at halftime.
 
I'd start Santino, and play Mitch for a drive or two if he's healthy and see who has the least cold hand.

The one thing about WFU is that I have never been able to figure out how they'll respond to challenges. Sometimes I think they'll roll and they self-destruct. Sometimes (like this coming weekend) I think they'll be down 28 in the first quarter and they buck up and compete.

I hope this weekend is the latter. Either way, I think you start Santino with a slightly expanded playbook after a week of practice, and see how it goes. I know this- right or wrong I'll be more interested in the game if they start Santino, because I don't know what will happen.
 
deacon14 said:
You pretty obviously were claiming that I was making the same tired argument that Griffis is some practice wizard and that's why we should keep giving him chances. I didn't say that.

I don't think that pointing out that Marucci was bad enough early in his career that he switched positions is anywhere near making the same argument, but whatever man
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You're pretty obviously claiming I said something I didn't. My point is that you're relying on Clawson's practice evaluation that resulted in Griffis being clearly ahead of Kerns and Marucci. Evidence from games indicates he's not.

I don't understand why you can Pilch can't just accept that Clawson screwed up and is desperately trying to fix it so he doesn't waste a season. Clawson himself seems to understand this.
 
deacon14 said:
Marucci has also been here for a very long time (this is year 3) and did so poorly with his QB reps that he was moved to other positions. Maybe this moment of magic will spur him on to massive unforeseen improvement, but I'm not banking on it tbh.

We tried to throw screens to Key at least 3 times that I remember, and we gained about -10 yards on those plays. If Marucci is QB, FSU is probably going to play 8 men in the box and we're going to have a very long day. To be fair, we're going to likely have a very long day regardless of who is playing QB
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deacon14 said:
Marucci has also been here for a very long time (this is year 3) and did so poorly with his QB reps that he was moved to other positions. Maybe this moment of magic will spur him on to massive unforeseen improvement, but I'm not banking on it tbh.

We tried to throw screens to Key at least 3 times that I remember, and we gained about -10 yards on those plays. If Marucci is QB, FSU is probably going to play 8 men in the box and we're going to have a very long day. To be fair, we're going to likely have a very long day regardless of who is playing QB
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FSU won’t put 8 in the box against little Mitch or statue Kern? Clemson, GT and and VT did. Are you the guy who was yelling “we want Mitch” after one WF offensive series on Saturday?
 
If FSU put's 8 in the box, line up Banks on one side, Key on the other, and throw deep routes to the side opposite the safety. Marucci is actually tall enough to see the action and comfortable throwing off his back foot.
 
deacon14 said:
In this entire discussion all I've been talking about is Santino's performance on Saturday, I haven't mentioned Griffis much at all and certainly haven't mentioned anything about practice. I know you're finding fun in trying to dunk on anyone that even appears to be defending Griffis, but maybe read what I'm actually writing.

Mitch Griffis is also not a good QB. I don't know why you seem to think I believe that he is. But what I saw from Marucci doesn't fill me with anywhere near hope that things will be better than they were with Griffis. In fact, if they go with similar play calling that they were with Griffis, I'd wager it's going to be somehow even worse.

If I were the coach and all three were healthy, I think my choice at this point would be to play Kern but to go with a very conservative, run-heavy offense and hope that Clawson's quality D can win us a few more games.
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I’m sure Clawson will take your opinions under advisement. I think you have established that it’s your view that Santino shouldn’t start. Please move on.
 
deacon14 said:
Yeah, unless FSU shoots themselves in the foot about 12 times I don't think we are winning this one regardless of who plays QB.

However, it would be funny as hell if Wake Forest ruins FSU's best season in a decade and FSU spends a billion dollars or whatever to escape the ACC so that they can stop losing to Wake Forest
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We already ruined their best season in 5 years when we beat them last year. And it was funny as hell then.
 
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