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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

myDeaconmyhand said:
have been thinking about this - I think we are only viewing ratings as transitive, meaning we believe that if FSU changed conferences, their current ACC television ratings would stay the same no matter where they went. A different way to think about it, is that if FSU was matched up weekly with more competitive teams/larger brand teams, their ratings would increase because the matchups would be more enticing.

Team 1 has X fans
Team 2 has Y fans

Viewership of their game isn’t just X+Y,
it’s X+Y+Z (Z being neutral fans intrigued by the matchup)

In the case of ACC vs SEC/Big 10, it’s certain that the Z variable of potential viewers in those conferences is much higher than in the ACC.
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I hear you but I think it’s a bit more complicated. You aren’t replacing 8 games with 8 better games. Maybe 1-2? You’d be losing Clemson, State, and Miami which are big ratings draws. You’re also replacing usually two big draw OOC games against the SEC with two likely lesser draws. The rest might equal out. FSU/Mizzou probably doesn’t do a whole lot better than FSU/Wake.
 
Deaconblue said:
That goes against the general philosophy of one conference for all sports f any given school.
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The ACC is already bending this with ND anyway. And we get the honor of their basketball team screwing all of us in exchange.
 
Deaconblue said:
That goes against the general philosophy of one conference for all sports f any given school.
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plenty of precedence for schools playing in different conferences or even different levels. Kentucky plays CUSA soccer. Boston College plays in a different conference for hockey. Notre Dame plays Big Ten hockey. Villanova played FCS football instead of joining the Big East as they did in other sports. Johns Hopkins is D1 for men's and women's lacrosse and D3 for everything else.

Football-only conferences could easily be done if there were a will to do so.
 
thatguy2016 said:
plenty of precedence for schools playing in different conferences or even different levels. Kentucky plays CUSA soccer. Boston College plays in a different conference for hockey. Notre Dame plays Big Ten hockey. Villanova played FCS football instead of joining the Big East as they did in other sports. Johns Hopkins is D1 for men's and women's lacrosse and D3 for everything else.

Football-only conferences could easily be done if there were a will to do so.
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Wow, that really surprises me.
 
Can't imagine lots of Cal, Stanford and SMU fans making the trek to Greensboro the the ACCT or to Charlotte for the ACCCG. Any word on these events being shipped out west once in a while?
 
ACCCG in Charlotte till 2030.

No future ACCT sites have been announced past 2024.
 
I believe some non-revenue events, at a minimum, will be in the DFW metroplex
 
york1313 said:
Can't imagine lots of Cal, Stanford and SMU fans making the trek to Greensboro the the ACCT or to Charlotte for the ACCCG. Any word on these events being shipped out west once in a while?
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Stanford and Cal fans may not go regardless of where it is, so don't plan around them. And given how much money SMU fans Ponied up to get into the ACC, I imagine they'll show up wherever it is. So don't plan around them either.
 
Haros said:
Stanford and Cal fans may not go regardless of where it is, so don't plan around them. And given how much money SMU fans Ponied up to get into the ACC, I imagine they'll show up wherever it is. So don't plan around them either.
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Yep. My fear is that I'm going to have to listen to insufferable, country-club dwelling SMU fans for the rest of my life, after SMU buys its way to athletic dominance. Stanford could do it, but probably won't. SMU has all the money it needs, and will definitely use it. Ugh.
 
Kent said:
Yep. My fear is that I'm going to have to listen to insufferable, country-club dwelling SMU fans for the rest of my life, after SMU buys its way to athletic dominance. Stanford could do it, but probably won't. SMU has all the money it needs, and will definitely use it. Ugh.
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Do you live in Texas? I have never met an SMU fan.
 
LilburnDeac said:
Do you live in Texas? I have never met an SMU fan.
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I do. There are quite a few of them. They've been a bit low-key because of the death penalty and subsequent lesser conference affiliations. They were insufferable back in the day, and will probably be so again once they spend their way to a few good seasons.

On the other hand, at least I'll be closer to a WFU game I want to attend every few years.
 
This is one guy's take on how this goes down led by f$u:

Each team wanting out will likely settle the exit fee at 60% ($72 mil) per precedent set by other teams that have left their conference such as Texas GOR is about $30 mil/yr x 10 years = $300 mil. They can then litigate to trigger the Competitive Revenue Clause that was added to the GOR in 2016.

If at that time the ACC sues f$u, the state of Florida enacts sovereign immunity and caps any award against f$u at $250k. That is how this goes down. Certainly not cheap, but cheaper than you think. Could be as low as $72 mil but will probably be settled for a much larger number to avoid the drawn out battle.
 
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