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wakelaw13 said:
I understand why the NET doesn't weigh games later in the season differently than earlier in the season, but that's pretty stupid and another reason why you need actual humans to consider the totality of the circumstances under which a team played over the course of a 30 game season. We're about a third of the way in, and Wake is already a clearly different team.
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I don't understand why. If NET aims to determine the best teams for the NCAA Tournament in mid-March, why should games in November count the same as games in early March?
 
PhDeac said:
I don't understand why. If NET aims to determine the best teams for the NCAA Tournament in mid-March, why should games in November count the same as games in early March?
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Especially when your team changes!
 
PhDeac said:
I don't understand why. If NET aims to determine the best teams for the NCAA Tournament in mid-March, why should games in November count the same as games in early March?
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Because NET doesn't aim to determine the best teams for the NCAA Tournament in mid-March, its aim is to assess who the best teams were over the course of the 31 game season in its entirety. I'll try to find the article but there was a deep dive on this and the committee/folks who put the NET together had a ton of conversation on this exact point and the NCAA wanted all games to count equally.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Because NET doesn't aim to determine the best teams for the NCAA Tournament in mid-March, its aim is to assess who the best teams were over the course of the 31 game season in its entirety. I'll try to find the article but there was a deep dive on this and the committee/folks who put the NET together had a ton of conversation on this exact point and the NCAA wanted all games to count equally.
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And I disagree with that logic for seeding a tournament.
 
I think reasonable minds can differ there. I was mainly just pointing out that NET's aim wasn't what you stated.
 
Week 1 NFL games count the same as week 18 NFL games. You don't get 1.5 wins per game you win in the last 3 weeks of the regular season.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
I think reasonable minds can differ there. I was mainly just pointing out that NET's aim wasn't what you stated.
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Wakeforest22890 said:
Week 1 NFL games count the same as week 18 NFL games. You don't get 1.5 wins per game you win in the last 3 weeks of the regular season.
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Sure. That's how the NFL operates. That's how US pro leagues operate in general. It's a consistent system.

That's now how the NCAA Tournament works. At-large selection based on NET directly clashes with auto bids. The first 32 teams included were the best in their conferences over the last two weeks. Then they select 36 teams partly based on how they played over four months before? The process lacks consistency.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Week 1 NFL games count the same as week 18 NFL games. You don't get 1.5 wins per game you win in the last 3 weeks of the regular season.
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But games that you win by one point count the same as games you win by 45 in the NFL. And games against the worst team in the league count the same as the best team in the league.
 
PhDeac said:
But you can understand how that directly clashes with auto bids. The first 32 teams included were the best in their conference over the last two weeks. Then they select 36 teams partly based on how they played over four months before? The process lacks consistency.
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Conferences can send whoever they want to the tournament as long as they announce the process beforehand. The NCAA sets the format for the at-large bids and conferences set the format for selecting their automatic bid.
 
DCDeac said:
Is 91% from the line as a team good?
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Any time we have a really good game from the line, I always reflect on that 31-31 game against the Holes many years ago. have no idea the year or who was on the team, but just remember our making all 31.
(Disclaimer: it may not have been exactly 31, but that's my recollection so I stick with it)
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Week 1 NFL games count the same as week 18 NFL games. You don't get 1.5 wins per game you win in the last 3 weeks of the regular season.
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This was my exact reasoning in "understanding why." But we're not basing who gets in on standings alone, so it's stupid in picking the best/most deserving teams.
 
birdman said:
But games that you win by one point count the same as games you win by 45 in the NFL. And games against the worst team in the league count the same as the best team in the league.
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Yeah absolutely. I would imagine if the NFL needed to sort out 363 teams though they'd probably find a different way as well hah
 
wakelaw13 said:
This was my exact reasoning in "understanding why." But we're not basing who gets in on standings alone, so it's stupid in picking the best/most deserving teams.
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I think a major implementation side of weighting is power conference teams against conferences with bad teams. As in the "latest data" for Gonzaga every year would just be them beating up on Pacific while Wake is playing Clemson/UNC/Duke. I guess you could still weight it on adjusted efficiency and it would have the same effect
 
DownEastDeac said:
Any time we have a really good game from the line, I always reflect on that 31-31 game against the Holes many years ago. have no idea the year or who was on the team, but just remember our making all 31.
(Disclaimer: it may not have been exactly 31, but that's my recollection so I stick with it)
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This was 2005. Downey throat slashed on an and one made 3 at FSU the next game where making the free throw would've won the game and completed a massive comeback. He missed, we snapped the longest FT streak in ACC history, we lost, and he got a one game suspension from the ACC. It got talked about on PTI
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
BC tickets acquired. Five rows behind the Wake bench. $13 a pop. Could've gotten $2 tickets in the "upper deck" but figured...we can shell out a little more for no fighting over me moving down to random seats
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Positively the worst arena I've ever been to. A huge dump of a place
 
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