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2024 Presidential Primaries and Election

Strickland33 said:
Okay they’re both old af and should have been chillin with great grandkids instead of holding enormously consequential jobs at their age range?
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Ph’s post ignores that Feinstein was in office until she literally died of old age when the obvious implication was that she should have retired from office long before it got to that extreme.
 
PhDeac said:
You’ve spent years posting about the risk of non-voters if Biden is the nominee but you’re not worried about non-voters if Biden is replaced?
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No, because the people supporting Biden are old people and the party base, and those people vote reflexively like it’s their job. They are not fickle voters and I am not worried about losing them in the least.
 
Don't we all agree that the concern about Biden's age/health/future competency would be less of an issue if his running mate was more liked?
 
mako1331 said:

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The "nationwide trend" in this article links me to a 538 page that says that of the head-to-head Biden v Trump polls recently done things range from Biden +1 to Trump +5.

That's certainly concerning, but not panic-mode yet concerning the unreliability of polling at this stage and the uncertainty surrounding this election
 
DeacsPop said:
Don't we all agree that the concern about Biden's age/health/future competency would be less of an issue if his running mate was more liked?
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Too bad there wasn’t any way to measure her popularity before choosing her as his running mate.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Do you believe the general election turnout numbers would change significantly if the candidate changed now or a few months from now?
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I think giving the new candidate less time to energize voters to cast a vote for them would lead to less turnout, yeah.

If we're just relying on the anti-Trump vote, then just pick a random Democrat in October and who cares. But I think we need more than that, so giving a candidate time to gain recognition and momentum would be important.
 
deacon14 said:
The "nationwide trend" in this article links me to a 538 page that says that of the head-to-head Biden v Trump polls recently done things range from Biden +1 to Trump +5.

That's certainly concerning, but not panic-mode yet concerning the unreliability of polling at this stage and the uncertainty surrounding this election
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Presidents aren’t elected nationally. Biden’s polling weaknesses are particular states that he desperately needs to win.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Presidents aren’t elected nationally. Biden’s polling weaknesses are particular states that he desperately needs to win.
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Ok, so can someone link me direct Biden v Trump reliable polls in states like Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia that I should be super concerned about?
 
deacon14 said:
Ok, so can someone link me direct Biden v Trump reliable polls in states like Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia that I should be super concerned about?
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Not to be that guy but you can just google [state] presidential polling. These aren’t obscure opinions you are arguing about

www.politico.com

Trump leads Biden in Georgia, new poll shows

Biden narrowly won Georgia in 2020, the first time a Democratic presidential candidate carried the state since 1992.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Too bad there wasn’t any way to measure her popularity before choosing her as his running mate.
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Agreed: but it's obvious now, whatever the reasons. Do Biden supporters still feel it would be heresy to replace Harris? Isn't it worthy of a conversation at the highest Dem levels??
 
deacon14 said:
Ok, so can someone link me direct Biden v Trump reliable polls in states like Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia that I should be super concerned about?
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They don’t exist because it’s 9 months from the election without the nominees even being solidified, I mean they exist in the space of being done but not in the space of being concerning.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Not to be that guy but you can just google [state] presidential polling. These aren’t obscure opinions you are arguing about

www.politico.com

Trump leads Biden in Georgia, new poll shows

Biden narrowly won Georgia in 2020, the first time a Democratic presidential candidate carried the state since 1992.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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I'm not the one that brought up super concerning polling numbers. Figured if that was going to be a topic of conversation we should all be looking at the same polls.
 
DeaconSig said:
from what, exactly?

And, btw, I completely agree with your "two thoughts" post.
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i was about 100 posts behind when i posted that, my bad

you're not allowed to take a breather yet

eta: i'm an idiot
 
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myDeaconmyhand said:
Presidents aren’t elected nationally. Biden’s polling weaknesses are particular states that he desperately needs to win.
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Nationwide trends are pretty disconcerting though comparing them to 4 years ago at this time.
 
deacon14 said:
I'm not the one that brought up super concerning polling numbers. Figured if that was going to be a topic of conversation we should all be looking at the same polls.
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If you are going to be rhetorical and unconcerned you can do that without asking people to google things for you.
 
Strickland33 said:
That’s what I took away from your post, too, fwiw
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That’s what I took away as well. But somehow MDMH read a post in which I mentioned Feinstein’s age (relative to Biden) and thinks I ignored her age.

Now if you want to go back and argue Feinstein should have retired in 2013 and do a side by side comparison between her then and Biden now, I’m open to learning more.
 
DeacsPop said:
Agreed: but it's obvious now, whatever the reasons. Do Biden supporters still feel it would be heresy to replace Harris? Isn't it worthy of a conversation at the highest Dem levels??
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I understand that you feel differently, but I sincerely doubt that changing Biden's running mate would be a major difference maker in this election. Gavin Newsome or whatever instead of Kamala Harris isn't swaying any Trump voters.
 
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