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Let me rephrase... I think from my point of view it seems unfair and unjustly so. If I'm imposing a decision that I can't really justify to them then IMO it stands to do long-term harm to my relationship with my child and maybe isolate them even more. The whole "do as I say not as I do" thing was not something my parents ever did and I'm grateful for that and have a great relationship with them.

I only have a 4 year old, so maybe I'm just being naïve IDK.
You're not being naive, it's real.
"Because I said so" and "Because I'm a grown-up" just don't carry any weight by the time kids are in high school. If you're trying to tell your kids why they can't shouldn't do something you need to bring receipts as to why it truly matters for them and their benefit. They might still hate the decision/the way it is, but they can't really argue with it. "As your parental person, I have a responsibility to make sure you're safe and healthy. Here's the article I read that informed my opinion on this... so this is my decision right now. You're welcome to show me something else if you think there's a piece I'm missing." The kicker to that is to actually be open to what they may come back with.

I dunno. My stepkids (16 and almost 14) have pretty lax rules with their phones, way more than I'd be comfortable with for the younger girls. Their mom doesn't really do much about anything in terms of enforcement, though, so husband's decided it's not worth the battle of being The Strict House on this kind of stuff when we're already the only ones who ask about schoolwork, etc. That said, they're also not terrible zombies about them and thankfully don't walk around with their faces in their screen all the time.

I do think phones are a social necessity in the same way AOL messaging was critical even back when I was in high school... but the idea of a middle-schooler having unfettered access to the internet just doesn't sit right with me.
Access to information: good.
Access to information during hugely formative years without accompanying conversation/guidance: less good.
 
Also: people with teens. Do your kids walk around with stupid earbuds in their ears all the damn time? Yes, music is cool, blah blah blah... but you know what else is cool? Learning to appreciate and hear all the little sounds and cues going on around you, and engaging in your immediate surroundings.
 
Also: people with teens. Do your kids walk around with stupid earbuds in their ears all the damn time? Yes, music is cool, blah blah blah... but you know what else is cool? Learning to appreciate and hear all the little sounds and cues going on around you, and engaging in your immediate surroundings.
You're describing my 21 yo & 14 yo nephews. sigh
 
I don't know exactly why it drives me so crazy... I think because it completely removes you from the room and visibly sets you as unavailable to anyone around you.
 
Also: people with teens. Do your kids walk around with stupid earbuds in their ears all the damn time? Yes, music is cool, blah blah blah... but you know what else is cool? Learning to appreciate and hear all the little sounds and cues going on around you, and engaging in your immediate surroundings.
YES. Drives me nuts.

Also they'll never learn to appreciate The Blend or Seriously Sinatra when they refuse to even listen to them in the car with me for a song or two
 
Sounds like y’all just can’t afford phones for your kids.
 
How do you think telling someone "you require a great deal of investment of emotional capital to keep you mentally solvent, yet your investors have seen disconcertingly diminishing returns recently for these investments" is likely to be received. Asking for a friend.
 
How do you think telling someone "you require a great deal of investment of emotional capital to keep you mentally solvent, yet your investors have seen disconcertingly diminishing returns recently for these investments" is likely to be received. Asking for a friend.
Harsh for an annual spousal review. I’m sorry you had to hear that. Are you getting a PIP?
 
Also: people with teens. Do your kids walk around with stupid earbuds in their ears all the damn time? Yes, music is cool, blah blah blah... but you know what else is cool? Learning to appreciate and hear all the little sounds and cues going on around you, and engaging in your immediate surroundings.

Mine don’t do that. My wife does sometimes though while she listens to podcasts or whatever.
 
80 year old Robert Deniro has a 10 month old daughter apparently
 
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