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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

PhDeac said:
So how can the ACC get ahead with gambling? Why not sell out all the way?
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What did you have in mind? Wonder which leagues have the highest % of schools where sports betting is legal. That’s an interesting question I think.

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Didn’t want to start a new thread, so this is as good/bad as anywhere to post this:
I’m an “old school” Wake fan/supporter and lifelong NC resident, so I still view our relative strength in athletics in how we stack up against our Big Four neighbors. If the cornerstone of an athletics program is football, men /women basketball and baseball,reality is that Duke, UNC and NCSU all made bowl games this year, they went 6 for 6 in getting both their basketball programs in the NCAA tournament, and we’ve already dropped both our baseball series to our Big Four opponents. It’s always been a challenge to keep up with the triangle schools in terms of fan support and media coverage, but in the age of conference realignment and NIL I fear we may become the equivalent of Boston College trying to compete for relevance with the Celtics, Red Sox and Patriots. Hate to be so negative, but a total baseball collapse followed by another 4-8 type football season, and we’ll be looking at a low point in terms of support and morale. These things can be cyclical (NCSU was where we are not too long ago), so there’s always hope.
 
DownEastDeac said:
Didn’t want to start a new thread, so this is as good/bad as anywhere to post this:
I’m an “old school” Wake fan/supporter and lifelong NC resident, so I still view our relative strength in athletics in how we stack up against our Big Four neighbors. If the cornerstone of an athletics program is football, men /women basketball and baseball,reality is that Duke, UNC and NCSU all made bowl games this year, they went 6 for 6 in getting both their basketball programs in the NCAA tournament, and we’ve already dropped both our baseball series to our Big Four opponents. It’s always been a challenge to keep up with the triangle schools in terms of fan support and media coverage, but in the age of conference realignment and NIL I fear we may become the equivalent of Boston College trying to compete for relevance with the Celtics, Red Sox and Patriots. Hate to be so negative, but a total baseball collapse followed by another 4-8 type football season, and we’ll be looking at a low point in terms of support and morale. These things can be cyclical (NCSU was where we are not too long ago), so there’s always hope.
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We spent a good part of the middle of last decade there.
 
PhDeac said:
The sad truth is our cornerstone programs have each reached relative high points over the last four seasons and each have either fallen off completely or are barely hanging on.
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Yep, Knew several years back when Clawson said football was going from good to great, the results would not be pleasant.
 
tbird said:
Yep, Knew several years back when Clawson said football was going from good to great, the results would not be pleasant.
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There was no reason back then to believe things would fall off like this. Clawson isn't a perfect coach, but the main problem last season was that he completely overrated his anointed QB and his ability to get any QB to run his system.
 
I am 70 y/o, and resigned to the fact that in my lifetime remaining we will probably not like NCSU make a final four in men's basketball, and no way in Hades we make one in women's basketball. l also am aware that the way college fb is being constructed we will never make a 12-24 team playoff in football even if our performance should have us in the conversation , and by all apperarances our baseball program is based on a smoke and mirrors laboratory that is not built for longterm success. I will continue to go to every football game each season, and a handful of other games in most of the other sports regardless of our conference affiliation, but I'm now doing it more out of habit, a chance to meet up with liftetime Wake friends and a love of all that is WFU including sports. But my expectations for recriprocal satisfaction from winning at a high level is pretty much out the window at this point.
 
PhDeac said:
There was no reason back then to believe things would fall off like this. Clawson isn't a perfect coach, but the main problem last season was that he completely overrated his anointed QB and his ability to get any QB to run his system.
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Agree PH, but Clawson must have been practicing a version of insanity when he keeps doing the same thing over and over again during multiple games hoping for a different result.
 
DeacdeTejas said:
That being said I think Chip Kelly has/had it right. It’s too late now, but NCAA football should have created their own super league/season and left schools/conferences in place for everything else. Football and the schools could still make their money, rivalries and geographical conferences stay in place. Oh well
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I think this is will be what happens
 
DownEastDeac said:
I am 70 y/o, and resigned to the fact that in my lifetime remaining we will probably not like NCSU make a final four in men's basketball, and no way in Hades we make one in women's basketball. l also am aware that the way college fb is being constructed we will never make a 12-24 team playoff in football even if our performance should have us in the conversation , and by all apperarances our baseball program is based on a smoke and mirrors laboratory that is not built for longterm success. I will continue to go to every football game each season, and a handful of other games in most of the other sports regardless of our conference affiliation, but I'm now doing it more out of habit, a chance to meet up with liftetime Wake friends and a love of all that is WFU including sports. But my expectations for recriprocal satisfaction from winning at a high level is pretty much out the window at this point.
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Sadly, this is where i am as well. . .

I truly hope i am wrong, and certainly my allegiance nor my commitments will ever change, I will be at every football game, and a handful of basketball and baseball games as I can afford them for my family of 5, but as a wake fan for over 40 years, this seems to be reality.
 
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