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Grobe and CO Shameful (socaldeac's thoughts thread)

DeacDiggler said:
I'm late to this discussion, but would Ph and socal be happy over the long term with consistent 9-10 win seasons? Alabama and Ohio State fire coaches for those kinds of records. Mark Richt has been on the hot seat a lot lately. Would you feel the same way if Grobe won 9 games/year but couldn't win a NC?
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If we had 10 straight seasons with 10 wins, people would bitch when we didn't win our conference or national championships...

And there would still be dumbasses posting that, based on our history, 10-2 is amazing and we shouldn't expect more.

ETA: At some point, you need to shift expectations based on recent success and stop settling, regardless of historical context.
 
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Of course people would be happy with 10 win seasons because 10 win seasons are great seasons and this is a traditionally bad football program.

As long as we put the best product we can on the field with coaches who coach smart, players who play smart, and coaches and players who put forth maximum effort every week, I'll be happy.

If you truly believe we got that for 12 games this season, I feel sorry for you.
 
PhDeac said:
Of course people would be happy with 10 win seasons because 10 win seasons are great seasons and this is a traditionally bad football program.

As long as we put the best product we can on the field with coaches who coach smart, players who play smart, and coaches and players who put forth maximum effort every week, I'll be happy.

If you truly believe we got that for 12 games this season, I feel sorry for you.
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+1. I'm not sure why the new normal must be 6-6 seasons. We've established a new baseline. Is there really any harm wanting to improve from this new level? This is essentially the way any
evolving program or discipline work. Establish a new "norm" and then improve upon it. Penicillin was fantastic for the advancement of modern medicine. However, it did not mean that medicine
should not build upon and beyond it. It's the same for companies, the sciences and athletic programs. There is always room for improvement.
 
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in your analogy, should we have quit using penicillin and hoped that we'd find something even better someday, even though we weren't sure?
 
DeacDiggler said:
in your analogy, should we have quit using penicillin and hoped that we'd find something even better someday, even though we weren't sure?
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Not sure what you mean. Sounds like what you're arguing is that we should be fine if penicillin doesn't keep working well because at one point it did.
 
DeacDiggler said:
in your analogy, should we have quit using penicillin and hoped that we'd find something even better someday, even though we weren't sure?
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Not sure I follow your line of thought. If you're inferring that my comment means we should discard Grobe, you couldn't be further from my point.

Programs establish new baselines, either good or bad ones. Wake football has established a new baseline (.500 winning seasons) over the past 10 years. This is significant progress. However, this does not mean we should not strive to move north of this new baseline toward even bigger goals. This is not a personal issue with Grobe and staff. It's about having clear expectations the administration, alumni and even general fans have for a program.
 
So for the people who like .500, Grobe's record in conference games in the last half of the season is .377. Is that a good record as well?
 
i don't know. what did we do from 1900-2000?

and yes, that matters. sorry if you can't see it.
 
to those arguing what mediocre is, if you define the term the discussion will be more fruitful fyi. the problem is that people are defining it in different ways.
 
There is no harm in wanting more or improving. If you've established a new baseline then you shouldn't be up in arms when you meet said baseline but when you fail to meet it. In 10 years, we have moved from a .292 winning percentage to a .508. Caldwell averaged 3.25 wins per year while Grobe has averaged 6.8 wins per year. To progress, you must do roughly the same thing that has met the baseline and add tweaks to see if you can increase it again. Sometimes that works ('06-'08) and sometimes it doesn't ('09-'10). I have a hard time understanding why we should be pissed off that, after two years of failing to meet the baseline, we get back where we should be "settling" with one more chance to make it better. The problem that most seem to be having is that we started out 5-2 to end up 6-6 (which I agree, hurts but we're light years ahead of where I thought we would be at this point in time).
 
if averaging 6.8 wins isn't good enough at wake, what is?

i mean, i know i sound like keeper on this thread, but what is a reasonable expectation? 9 wins a year?
 
This thread is just LOLbad. Some people love to hear themselves talk (or see themselves type).
 
Hwaker said:
Ages ago...I'm surprised you just noticed. Its time to stop feeding his source of frustration...BAN..for his own well being.
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I'm just amazed that anyone would use the word "shameful" to describe Jim Grobe's tenure at Wake Forest. That is actually kind of offensive. Shameful is keeping quiet while your assistant molests young boys in your locker room. Shameful is employing an agent's runner as your associate head coach. Shameful is learning about blatant NCAA violations and then withholding information and lying to NCAA investigators.

It takes a pretty amazing lack of perspective to use that word to refer to Jim Grobe.
 
This thread is just one long parade or moronic trolling, not unlike the thread a few months ago where many of these posters were predicting a 3 win season, arguing for Grobe to be replaced with someone who'd continue moving our "floor" to 8-9 wins every year, blah blah blah.

Using the word "shameful" in a Grobe thread, after what he's done for this program, is embarrassing.
 
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