We are already improved from last year. That's good enough for me in year two of Bzz's tenure.
A Reminder why Bzz going nowhere anytime soon...
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State is extremely inconsistent. They got their butts handed to them by lowly Georgia Tech just one game before they handed us ours.
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How does that make it better for us to get destroyed by them?
jaybone
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deacvision,
Recent history suggests I'm $20 up on you. How spot on is that?
At this point, history ain't got nothin' to do with it. History says Bzd has the single greatest turn around, record-wise in the history of the NBA, actually I think it was the second greatest turn around, but that isn't going to help him win games at Wake Forest.
History says he did okay at Air Force but couldn't recruit squat and he did pretty good at Colorado given where he started. Again, triangulating the history of those three places is not going to get you spot on to anything. Unless you're the cum stain on Lewinsky's dress (which you are starting to resemble from my spot, deacvision) the spot ain't sticking.
The question is now, given an ACC coaching job at a top 40 program and a AD that has your back, what is your ceiling? Not so much as a coach but as the head of a program? And what's your ceiling starting with an 8-win season, which I would argue is far more relevant than anything Bzd has done over the last 30 years in basketball.
His 2012 class, whether with great thanks to Coach Battle and staff or augmented by Coach Battle and staff, is a great great start. It sets, at minimum, a ceiling of playing in the NCAAs. If his ceiling is the Final 8, he's got a job at Wake until he wants to go. If he makes a Sweet 16, he's going to feel extremely comfortable. Based on what I've seen though, his ceiling might be lower than that. He'll have the talent, IMO, to be a sweet 16 coach, I just don't know if he can motivate players to dig down deeper as the season winds down. Just don't know.
A question I have when I lay the cards out on the table is will the fan base embrace Bzd upon success. My answer is no, they won't. So if he gets to a place where he's having success and he's not enjoying it, then I'm not sure what happens.
For whatever reason, Bzd has made a career of being a constant outsider either due to personal failings, circumstance, bad luck or all of the above. Only Pat Riley seems to have every shown/reciprocated Bzd any loyalty whatsoever, so maybe he lands in Miami if Riley is still there.
But ya'll are a long long way off from running Bzd out of town and that seems to be your goal. You are going to fail at that for the next two years. Bzd will only lose his job if Wellman determines that Bzd's ceiling is lower than the Sweet 16 and he won't know that until 2013-2014 at the earliest. So ya'll should pace yourself. You're gonna need stamina.
Recent history suggests I'm $20 up on you. How spot on is that?
At this point, history ain't got nothin' to do with it. History says Bzd has the single greatest turn around, record-wise in the history of the NBA, actually I think it was the second greatest turn around, but that isn't going to help him win games at Wake Forest.
History says he did okay at Air Force but couldn't recruit squat and he did pretty good at Colorado given where he started. Again, triangulating the history of those three places is not going to get you spot on to anything. Unless you're the cum stain on Lewinsky's dress (which you are starting to resemble from my spot, deacvision) the spot ain't sticking.
The question is now, given an ACC coaching job at a top 40 program and a AD that has your back, what is your ceiling? Not so much as a coach but as the head of a program? And what's your ceiling starting with an 8-win season, which I would argue is far more relevant than anything Bzd has done over the last 30 years in basketball.
His 2012 class, whether with great thanks to Coach Battle and staff or augmented by Coach Battle and staff, is a great great start. It sets, at minimum, a ceiling of playing in the NCAAs. If his ceiling is the Final 8, he's got a job at Wake until he wants to go. If he makes a Sweet 16, he's going to feel extremely comfortable. Based on what I've seen though, his ceiling might be lower than that. He'll have the talent, IMO, to be a sweet 16 coach, I just don't know if he can motivate players to dig down deeper as the season winds down. Just don't know.
A question I have when I lay the cards out on the table is will the fan base embrace Bzd upon success. My answer is no, they won't. So if he gets to a place where he's having success and he's not enjoying it, then I'm not sure what happens.
For whatever reason, Bzd has made a career of being a constant outsider either due to personal failings, circumstance, bad luck or all of the above. Only Pat Riley seems to have every shown/reciprocated Bzd any loyalty whatsoever, so maybe he lands in Miami if Riley is still there.
But ya'll are a long long way off from running Bzd out of town and that seems to be your goal. You are going to fail at that for the next two years. Bzd will only lose his job if Wellman determines that Bzd's ceiling is lower than the Sweet 16 and he won't know that until 2013-2014 at the earliest. So ya'll should pace yourself. You're gonna need stamina.
jaybone
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You keep quoting me to prove a point my quotes don't make. I mean, I wouldn't go back and search through your quotes or mine, but I appreciate you taking the time to point out how consistent I've been.
15 wins in July; 15 wins now. Am I missing something?
deacvision7
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Was that nonsense supposed to get a rise out of me or something?
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Yes. A lot.
jaybone
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Help me out then. I expect this team to win 15 games. I put money on it and have so far won $120. 15 wins, maybe 16 seems to be the ceiling. If we don't win 15 games, I'll be disappointed. What am I missing?
And no deacvision7, I'm not trying to get a rise out of you. I don't see the point.
And no deacvision7, I'm not trying to get a rise out of you. I don't see the point.
deacvision7
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You now say that 15 wins is the "ceiling" as opposed to basically the "basement" of what would be an acceptable return from this season.
You aren't this dense, cum stain. And I'm not trying to get a rise out of you either.
You aren't this dense, cum stain. And I'm not trying to get a rise out of you either.
jaybone
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What? So let me get this straight. You think I expected, at minimum, 15 wins this year? Like I wanted 18 wins, but 15 would be fine???
deacvision7
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You tell me.
Originally Posted by jaybone in July
Not this one. A Coach is responsible for an entire program. In year 2, if there is a gaping hole NOT due to injury, then you're responsible. It was Bzd and staff that decided that they were content with Carson, Ty, Tabb, Nikita, Green, and McKie at the 4 and 5 going into next year.
I expect 15 wins next year. I'll be disappointed with anything less.
Originally Posted by jaybone in July
Not this one. A Coach is responsible for an entire program. In year 2, if there is a gaping hole NOT due to injury, then you're responsible. It was Bzd and staff that decided that they were content with Carson, Ty, Tabb, Nikita, Green, and McKie at the 4 and 5 going into next year.
I expect 15 wins next year. I'll be disappointed with anything less.
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Is it not out of the realm of possibility for Jaybone to be dissapointed in the team not reaching it's ceiling?
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You had 10 wins as [Redacted]'s ceiling this year. Obviously that is now your floor.
You're only just barely correct even if we lose out. If you took a second to stop patting yourself on the back you might realize that based on our year up to this point your rhetoric has been over-the-top.
And did you just call Jaybone a cum stain? I mean, wtf. You talk shit all the time about the mods on the other board and over here you call posters cum stains?
jaybone
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15 wins, for me, means that Bzd maximized talent this year and we have good momentum going into next year. I've thought that since we finished recruiting for this year and kept it after we lost JTT and Ari and of course Tabb.
12 wins, while it will make me some money, doesn't do much for me as far as being a Bzd believer. It doesn't give us much momentum at all going into next year.
There are numbers between 12 and 15. Put it this way. 12 wins I stay soft. 13 wins I feel a twinge, 14 wins I've got a semi-stiffy and 15 wins gives me good wood going into next year. Is that clear enough?
I don't think I'm redrawing any expectations. I've been pretty clear of where I set the bar for this year and the next two. Next year, we should be a bubble team. Depending on the schedule, that means roughly 20 wins and 7+ in the conference (8+ with the added conference games next year, if that happens). 2013-14, Sweet 16.
If we don't meet those pretty aggressive goals, I'll be disappointed. If we make the tourney in 2013-14 but don't make the Sweet 16, I'll be disappointed. I doubt I'll be calling for Bzd's head on a pike, but I'll be disappointed. If we fail to make the NCAAs, I want his head on a pike.
If we have a losing record next year, I want his head on a pike. How much clearer need I be fellas. I'm taking a much bolder position than you are. You guys are just whining nonstop and hit a high octave whenever we lose badly. That's a pussy position. Shows me no cahunas at all. We sit next to each other in a bar and you take that pussy ass position I bitch slap you around without hesitation. Grow some balls gentlemen. Define the place where you go Bzd-in. otherwise, it's all just pussy juice to me.
12 wins, while it will make me some money, doesn't do much for me as far as being a Bzd believer. It doesn't give us much momentum at all going into next year.
There are numbers between 12 and 15. Put it this way. 12 wins I stay soft. 13 wins I feel a twinge, 14 wins I've got a semi-stiffy and 15 wins gives me good wood going into next year. Is that clear enough?
I don't think I'm redrawing any expectations. I've been pretty clear of where I set the bar for this year and the next two. Next year, we should be a bubble team. Depending on the schedule, that means roughly 20 wins and 7+ in the conference (8+ with the added conference games next year, if that happens). 2013-14, Sweet 16.
If we don't meet those pretty aggressive goals, I'll be disappointed. If we make the tourney in 2013-14 but don't make the Sweet 16, I'll be disappointed. I doubt I'll be calling for Bzd's head on a pike, but I'll be disappointed. If we fail to make the NCAAs, I want his head on a pike.
If we have a losing record next year, I want his head on a pike. How much clearer need I be fellas. I'm taking a much bolder position than you are. You guys are just whining nonstop and hit a high octave whenever we lose badly. That's a pussy position. Shows me no cahunas at all. We sit next to each other in a bar and you take that pussy ass position I bitch slap you around without hesitation. Grow some balls gentlemen. Define the place where you go Bzd-in. otherwise, it's all just pussy juice to me.
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deacvision7
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It was a joke because he likened me a cum stain on Lewinsky's dress. Settle down, Francis.