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If Bz was to go

What about the scout premium inside info that said Billy Donovan was coming to Wake since he was tired of the UF AD? I think one insider also tossed Izzo's name in the mix. Bz will be the coach for one more year, we won't sniff the postseason again next year (we will still not have anything resembling a frontcourt) and hopefully Wellman can pick an up and coming mid-major coach to get us all excited again.

If there is one thing I have learned from the Dino/Bz saga it is that you don't base your head coach selection on incoming recruiting classes.
 
vtwhat etc said:
And to the people who think a firing after 2 years would steer off other candidates; I think that's absurd.

With any 'good job' comes standards of performance.

I doubt there's any coach in America (that we'd want, anyway) who wouldn't objectively look at the results of the past two years and understand that they do not align with what should be accepted at Wake Forest University.
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This.

Plus coaches, by trade, are very self-confident people. They will think that they can turn around the situation no matter if the previous two coaches were fired or not.

We are still a school in the ACC. It is a desirable job.
 
PhDeac said:
Karma, you shared with me the information you know. I don't think it's too far off from guitardeac. You're assuming that those names you heard that Wellman sent people to research were ahead of [Redacted]. Maybe they weren't. Perhaps Wellman was just doing due diligence and after he did, he came to the conclusion that his guy [Redacted] was a better choice than Alford, Tubby, and some others.

One thing I'd hope BzInners can agree on is that Wellman completely miscalculated fan reaction to this hire. I have no idea what logic he used to come to a conclusion that a career loser like Bz would be appealing to the fanbase. If he based it on the Air Force game that wasn't even televised to much of the fanbase in which a bad Skip Prosser team couldn't just throw the ball out and run in high altitude against a team that had been built up well before Bz got there, he's a fool. That team lost the next three games to Georgia, DePaul, and VT. Who thinks that the first guy to beat them in a four game losing streak is some kind of coaching genius? Why not pursue Dennis Felton and Jerry Wainright? We lost to USF that season too? Robert McCullum is available.

If Wellman became infatuated with Bz because he beat a team that went 10-15 the rest of the way, that's appalling and it's insulting that he would think we would be infatuated with him too.
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I don't think this is the case at all. From Wellman's comments that he didn't want a guy who would "win the press conference" to all of the quotes from basketball folks praising Bz that were released by the athletic department coinciding with his introductory press conference, it's pretty clear that Wellman knew it would be viewed as an underwhelming hire and he just didn't give a shit.

The board started melting down when the first story came out that we were targeting Bz, which was 4 days before he was actually hired. Wellman had to know the reaction.
 
The litany of quotes from NBA types about [Redacted] when the hire was made was a complete farce. I can't believe people in the Ath Dept thought it was a good idea to try and shovel us pig shit and tell us it was filet mignon.
 
vtwhat etc said:
And to the people who think a firing after 2 years would steer off other candidates; I think that's absurd.

With any 'good job' comes standards of performance.

I doubt there's any coach in America (that we'd want, anyway) who wouldn't objectively look at the results of the past two years and understand that they do not align with what should be accepted at Wake Forest University.
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I'm not even remotely BzIn, but in the context of firing the previous coach after three years and a 61-31 record it's definitely a concern. If we fire Bz after this year I can guarantee you that will be the context that ESPN pushes.

buckets said:
What about the scout premium inside info that said Billy Donovan was coming to Wake since he was tired of the UF AD? I think one insider also tossed Izzo's name in the mix. Bz will be the coach for one more year, we won't sniff the postseason again next year (we will still not have anything resembling a frontcourt) and hopefully Wellman can pick an up and coming mid-major coach to get us all excited again.

If there is one thing I have learned from the Dino/Bz saga it is that you don't base your head coach selection on incoming recruiting classes.
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You don't base coach selection on incoming recruiting classes, but in the case of Bz I think we need to keep him for a third year so we gave him a chance to show something with his own guys. No matter how much it sucks we have to do it to have some credibility with the next batch of potential hires.
 
Our previous coach going 61-31 over 3 seasons adds credibility to firing a coach that is currently 19-36 in the following two seasons, IMO.
 
buckets said:
What about the scout premium inside info that said Billy Donovan was coming to Wake since he was tired of the UF AD? I think one insider also tossed Izzo's name in the mix. Bz will be the coach for one more year, we won't sniff the postseason again next year (we will still not have anything resembling a frontcourt) and hopefully Wellman can pick an up and coming mid-major coach to get us all excited again.

If there is one thing I have learned from the Dino/Bz saga it is that you don't base your head coach selection on incoming recruiting classes.
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Sounds like I'm primed to win more money next year too.
 
wfumike02 said:
I don't think this is the case at all. From Wellman's comments that he didn't want a guy who would "win the press conference" to all of the quotes from basketball folks praising Bz that were released by the athletic department coinciding with his introductory press conference, it's pretty clear that Wellman knew it would be viewed as an underwhelming hire and he just didn't give a shit.

The board started melting down when the first story came out that we were targeting Bz, which was 4 days before he was actually hired. Wellman had to know the reaction.
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That's after he was already basically hired.
 
I think it will come down to dollars and cents as guitardeac alluded to.

Can Wellman afford not to fire Bzz? I don't know the true impact on ticket sales, season ticket sales and Deacon Club contributions but I would imagine it is really hurting us in addition to the effect of the overall economy.

Throw it all together and Wellman's hands may be tied. The decision could, in fact, already be made.
 
buckets said:
you still haven't won my money! even if you do... it won't be by more than a game or two at most.
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Money is money. You placed the bet because you thought you'd win, not lose by only "a game or two." Come on. Don't be an idiot.

I still think we can hit 15 wins. Next year, pretty sure we will be a bubble team. When I win those bets, someone like you will try and redraw what bubble means, but at the beginning of this year people thought we'd be worse than last year and I thought we'd come close to doubling our wins. Which prediction is closer to being accurate / prescient?
 
Sgt Hulka said:
Guitar's post deserves it's own thread. Also, it will be interesting when all the bzzzinners get wind of this (that even Wellman is Bzzz out hopefully).:thumbsup:
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I find it implausible frankly for the reasons RJ stated. If you are going to be infatuated with a hire years in advance, Bzd doesn't strike me as that guy. Stevens, sure. The guy at Alabama, sure.

The stories on here we've heard for 18 months make way more sense.

But I'm sure I won't convince anybody that believes it.

But assuming it were all true, then an AD that makes that kind of hire doesn't usually get a chance at a do-over two years later. They get fired and their replacement does it.
 
When you cite rjkarl to prove a point; you've already lost.
 
If we don't win the games we are supposed to, Bzzz is gone this year.
 
But what are the games we are "supposed" to win?
 
jaybone said:
Money is money. You placed the bet because you thought you'd win, not lose by only "a game or two." Come on. Don't be an idiot.

I still think we can hit 15 wins. Next year, pretty sure we will be a bubble team. When I win those bets, someone like you will try and redraw what bubble means, but at the beginning of this year people thought we'd be worse than last year and I thought we'd come close to doubling our wins. Which prediction is closer to being accurate / prescient?
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I thought we would win 11-12 games, looks like we will win 12-13. I don't consider that to be wildly offbase. I will go double or nothing on 14 wins right now if you're confident in Bzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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You can have Mark Turgeon if he doesn't make the tournament next year.
 
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