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Bz: "I think you're asking the wrong person."

Winkathomelygirl said:
How many of you, who have played organized sports, were ever motivated by a coach in the locker room? I had a coach one time play the Patton soundtrack before a football game. No difference in our play. We always played to the best of our abilities out of dedication to our teammates. Coaches taught us how to play, the desire came from within.

Having looked at the clip that started this thread, am I the only one who doesn't see anything wrong with it? Watching this and clips from earlier in the season, makes me believe that Jeff is using a leadership technique of "us versus them" where the us is the immediate family of the team and the "them" is us and the other distracting forces (I believe Pogo commented succinctly on this). This leadership technique is wonderfully demonstrated in the book Soul of a New Machine by Pulitzer Prize winning author Tracy Kidder.

However, I commend everybody for conducting the most detailed analysis of a short film clip since Zapruder.
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When I was a sophomore I was moved up and played on a sucky senior laden team and we went 3-18. I know a little about teams that quit on their coach and you are looking at one. The next year we had a new coach and were better than .500. My senior year we went 18-3. That is an extreme example but this team has quit on Bzz and each other to some extent. I have a hard time believing six freshman are going to pull it all together. But, I have a high degree of belief we are going to find out.

And pep talks, to answer your question, never amount to much at all. You either believe in your coach and your team or you are screwed before you walk on the court no matter what anyone says.
 
Seeing the video is watching failure real time it is not pretty so matter what one thinks about how best to deal with the situaton. Nevertheless there is no justification to keep this train wreck going for another season.
 
Winkathomelygirl said:
How many of you, who have played organized sports, were ever motivated by a coach in the locker room? I had a coach one time play the Patton soundtrack before a football game. No difference in our play. We always played to the best of our abilities out of dedication to our teammates. Coaches taught us how to play, the desire came from within.

Having looked at the clip that started this thread, am I the only one who doesn't see anything wrong with it? Watching this and clips from earlier in the season, makes me believe that Jeff is using a leadership technique of "us versus them" where the us is the immediate family of the team and the "them" is us and the other distracting forces (I believe Pogo commented succinctly on this). This leadership technique is wonderfully demonstrated in the book Soul of a New Machine by Pulitzer Prize winning author Tracy Kidder.

However, I commend everybody for conducting the most detailed analysis of a short film clip since Zapruder.
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If this is the case then why would he say "I think you're asking the wrong person." ???
 
Winkathomelygirl said:
How many of you, who have played organized sports, were ever motivated by a coach in the locker room? I had a coach one time play the Patton soundtrack before a football game. No difference in our play. We always played to the best of our abilities out of dedication to our teammates. Coaches taught us how to play, the desire came from within.
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I think there is an almost immeasurable difference between what most of us know as 'playing a competitive sport' and what it takes to be a D-1 athlete on a full-scholarship at a school like Wake. I played bball in HS (for a pretty decent team with a darn good coach who most here have probably heard of from his playing days)... I can't imagine its really worth comparing the two.
 
vtwhat etc said:
I think there is an almost immeasurable difference between what most of us know as 'playing a competitive sport' and what it takes to be a D-1 athlete on a full-scholarship at a school like Wake. I played bball in HS (for a pretty decent team with a darn good coach who most here have probably heard of from his playing days)... I can't imagine its really worth comparing the two.
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I cannot disagree with you about the difference between high school and college sports. My point was that, as a high school athlete who played on very good teams, I can never recall being motivated by "charismatic coaches". The D-1 and professional athletes that I have known have never spoke of the importance of a charismatic coach. I was priviledged to join Pat Summit in the locker room for the pre-game and half-time against U-Conn and she was all business and (although angry at being behind at the half) there was no sign of charisma.

My sense of the quote that gave birth to a hundred opinions is that Jeff was treating his players like men (D-1 men) and that he wasn't going to speak for other men.
 
They're not men yet. And that approach definitely isn't going to work with 6 freshmen.
 
Winkathomelygirl said:
My sense of the quote that gave birth to a hundred opinions is that Jeff was treating his players like men (D-1 men) and that he wasn't going to speak for other men.
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I'm trying to think of another instance of a coach telling a reporter to speak to one of his players, and I can't think of one. I think that's the issue.
 
Given that his job completely depends on access, yes.
 
TheIshThatSaved WakeForest said:
Dan can't say it because they won't let him have access if he writes what he's thinking. We've been down this road before.
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If Wake punished reporters who wrote unflattering articles about Wake sports, then Lenox would have been banned from all Wake sporting events and the campus decades ago. Actually, he would have been publicly impaled on the Quad.
 
sailordeac said:
If Wake punished reporters who wrote unflattering articles about Wake sports, then Lenox would have been banned from all Wake sporting events and the campus decades ago. Actually, he would have been publicly impaled on the Quad.
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Tend to agree with this and the others who have stated similar opinions. But there probably is a difference between allowed to have media access for WF events and getting non-public information from sources at Wake. Don't think WF would/could cut off media access but definitely could cause the contacts inside the AD to dry up.
 
Does [Redacted] have any sons? He just has a daughter right? I've been on a enough sports teams to know that the better a coach can relate to the players, the better a coach he/she is. A huge component of that is having been a parent yourself and adopting the mentality that your players are like your own children. If [Redacted] is really trying to treat these guys as grown men, then he's never going to connect with them in a way that will make them not want to disappoint him or the team.

Go back and watch The Season and see how Skip interacts with the players (and even fans). He connects with them. I remember the whole "Duck Fuke" shirt incident back in 2004 and Skip sent an email to all the Screamin' Demons to not wear the shirt to the Duke game. It was because we respected Skip that we didn't, although I sure as hell wanted to bust that shirt out.

I really have to wonder if [Redacted] just has a character flaw in that he can't connect with college age players. Maybe going from the NBA level to the college is not possible for some coaches like him. You're going to have to treat 18-22 year kids different than you treat the NBA pros.

Anyway, that was long-winded, but it's abundantly clear that [Redacted] is NOT a good fit for Wake Forest.
 
[Redacted] has a son. Graduated from Colorado last year I believe.
 
Winkathomelygirl said:
I cannot disagree with you about the difference between high school and college sports. My point was that, as a high school athlete who played on very good teams, I can never recall being motivated by "charismatic coaches". The D-1 and professional athletes that I have known have never spoke of the importance of a charismatic coach. I was priviledged to join Pat Summit in the locker room for the pre-game and half-time against U-Conn and she was all business and (although angry at being behind at the half) there was no sign of charisma.

My sense of the quote that gave birth to a hundred opinions is that Jeff was treating his players like men (D-1 men) and that he wasn't going to speak for other men.
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That's awesome that he treats his players like men, but his job extends beyond the locker room and sideline. If he was capable of winning big-immediately, he wouldn't need charisma, but like most coaches, he isn't capable of that, so he needs a personality and charisma to get people excited about the program.
 
OGBDeacon07 said:
Blew my theory out of water then. But still, he's just not a good fit for Wake.
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Well, just because he has a son doesn't mean he's good at relating to people that age.

My dad is a very good man, but he wasn't very good at relating to my brother and I when we were in our teens.
 
Doesn't mean he's a good dad either.
 
Weren't we just talking about him having a son? Just saying that OGBDeac was making a large set of assumptions.
 
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