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Question for Buzziners

Turd Ferguson said:
This. Wake does not need to recruit "under the radar" for basketball. That has to be our football strategy, but not basketball. State has been shit for decades, and they bring in a new coach who recruits five star players (not hearts). I want a coach who will be ON THE RADAR recruiting big time players. We just need to find the right coach.
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This. I don't understand the LOWF mentality of some who think Skip and Dino recruiting and sometimes missing out on the top players was a bad thing. We shouldn't have to rely on diamonds in the rough. Until recently, people thought very highly of Wake basketball.
 
deacvision7 said:
Better than being a defeatist and only needing 12 wins out of 31 games (including first round of ACC tourney) to become "content" with the season, I suppose. :noidea:

Remember the schedule includes these 10 teams:
Loyola
Georgia Southern
North Carolina Central
Nebraska
Richmond
High Point
Seton Hall
UNC-W
Yale
Wofford

Sorry, but 12 wins wouldn't make me at all hopeful for the future when 10 of the 31 games are against such utter dross.
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... I think its safe to say that DV7 has been a spokesperson for Buzz-Out for a while now & this is his post from November 2nd, 2011
 
liveanddiedeac said:
Please tell us in what way he's "proven" that????
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haha maybe "proven" is the wrong word. I guess I assumed he was a decent scout of talent since he has spent most of his career doing that. still stand by my point that he sucks as a HC. I think most will agree with that, ha.
 
BabyDeac75 said:
Unfortunately this excuse doesnt hold water. The scout team regularly plays dead even with and often beats the black and the gold teams in practice. This has been going on for the last year. Competition in practice is not the problem. (And dont ask why he doesnt play the scout team more in games because they wouldnt beat our opponents either.) The problem is that the starters arent as good as our opponents. We just arent very good right now.
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I want to go back to this for a second. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT THE SCOUT TEAM OFTEN BEATS THE BLACK AND GOLD IN PRACTICE? WTF?
 
Turd Ferguson said:
This. Wake does not need to recruit "under the radar" for basketball. That has to be our football strategy, but not basketball. State has been shit for decades, and they bring in a new coach who recruits five star players (not hearts). I want a coach who will be ON THE RADAR recruiting big time players. We just need to find the right coach.
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Bzz just pulled what most consider to be 3 4* talents and at least one kid that is a 4* by a ton of recruiting guys. After an 8 win season. Some of you guys need to take the Bzzout glasses off.
 
DEACisGO said:
I want to go back to this for a second. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT THE SCOUT TEAM OFTEN BEATS THE BLACK AND GOLD IN PRACTICE? WTF?
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I know BabyDeac supposedly has a lot better info than most of us but there is no way in hell Tony, CJ, Travis, Nikita, and Ty routinely get beaten by by Brooks Godwin, Spencer Jennings, Aaron Ingle, Ryan Keenan, and crew. No way in hell. Travis/CJ would score at will against any of them.
 
tau06 said:
Bzz just pulled what most consider to be 3 4* talents and at least one kid that is a 4* by a ton of recruiting guys. After an 8 win season. Some of you guys need to take the Bzzout glasses off.
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This is a silly argument when you consider only one of the players was a 4 star when he committed.
 
SkinsNDeacs said:
I ask this a Buzz-wait-and-seeer (but getting tired of waiting)...

If I had told you on the day of his hiring that Wake was on verge of the two worst seasons in school history (perhaps ACC history) what would your response have been? It is hard for me to justify this performance when you set it against expectations. Sure, we all knew we were headed for bad times but I don't think any of us expected this. At some point you have to be held responsible for your results.
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My response would've been based on the fact that he would have Tony Woods for two years, had kept what was supposed to be a very good class of incoming frosh, and had a couple of decent returning players.

Who knew the Woods situation would occur, that Ari Stewart would be a head case, and that two of the frosh would be washouts? So, I'd have said it couldn't be possible. But all that stuff did happen so the program has taken many hits since Buzz was announced as coach. Objectively, there just isn't much talent on this team.

Carson's a bust, Ty's been a bust, Chas isn't shooting like we hoped, CJ's just not a terrific athlete, heady player and nice shooter, but not nearly as athletic as he needs to be. This team needs a major infusion of talent and hopefully, a pretty good batch of it is on the way.
 
TBR said:
This is a silly argument when you consider only one of the players was a 4 star when he committed.
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If a coach is actually recruiting by stars on Scout or Rivals then that program is so far gone it's not even funny. The fact that Bzz identified CMM as a stud, got his commitment and then had him actually get watched and bumped up a ton is a perfectly respectable way to recruit.

I've flat out asked the Rivals recruiting guys if they have watched any of the WF guys play and the only guys they have seen more than 1 or 2 games were CMM, Cav, and Andre. Devin didn't play the AAU circuit that much, Tree didn't play many national events and they said they honestly hadn't seen Moto in person. So take your recruiting rankings for what they are, one person (or sites) opinion.
 
tau06 said:
If a coach is actually recruiting by stars on Scout or Rivals then that program is so far gone it's not even funny. The fact that Bzz identified CMM as a stud, got his commitment and then had him actually get watched and bumped up a ton is a perfectly respectable way to recruit.

I've flat out asked the Rivals recruiting guys if they have watched any of the WF guys play and the only guys they have seen more than 1 or 2 games were CMM, Cav, and Andre. Devin didn't play the AAU circuit that much, Tree didn't play many national events and they said they honestly hadn't seen Moto in person. So take your recruiting rankings for what they are, one person (or sites) opinion.
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We have our wires crossed (my fault for being so cryptic).What I meant is that a lot of other schools weren't on them because they weren't very highly rated thus we could more easily compete despite our historically bad season.

[Redacted] did a great job of identifying high major players that were only being recruited by mid majors, but I don't think he would have been able to pull the same players if they weren't underrated. He didn't overcome the programs limitations at that time as much as he worked around them.

I don't mean to be negative, I just don't think that the class proves the point you were trying to make. They proved a different but equally positive point. This staff is good at spotting under recruited players.
 
TBR said:
We have our wires crossed (my fault for being so cryptic).What I meant is that a lot of other schools weren't on them because they weren't very highly rated thus we could more easily compete despite our historically bad season.

[Redacted] did a great job of identifying high major players that were only being recruited by mid majors, but I don't think he would have been able to pull the same players if they weren't underrated. He didn't overcome the programs limitations at that time as much as he worked around them.

I don't mean to be negative, I just don't think that the class proves the point you were trying to make. They proved a different but equally positive point. This staff is good at spotting under recruited players.
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Wasn't Moto pretty highly rated when we actually snagged him in a h2h competition? Seems like he's dropped since then, but that was my recollection of it.
 
cookoutdeac said:
Wasn't Moto pretty highly rated when we actually snagged him in a h2h competition? Seems like he's dropped since then, but that was my recollection of it.
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Yes, Moto was indeed highly rated. A 4 star I think and about 75ish overall.

ETA: I am completely talking out of my ass here (at least I recognize it), but I bet the momentum we had, especially regarding CMM's emergence, had a lot to do with Moto's commitment. It's a lot easier to be the 6th man that commits after a disastrous season than the first.
 
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TBR said:
We have our wires crossed (my fault for being so cryptic).What I meant is that a lot of other schools weren't on them because they weren't very highly rated thus we could more easily compete despite our historically bad season.

[Redacted] did a great job of identifying high major players that were only being recruited by mid majors, but I don't think he would have been able to pull the same players if they weren't underrated. He didn't overcome the programs limitations at that time as much as he worked around them.
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Bold #1: That's not true. No legitimate coaching staff bases their recruiting targets on the rivals and scout ratings. Most of our 2012 class didn't have a lot of schools on them because they didn't play in (m)any national AAU events. CMM went to a small private school that didn't play against any real competition, for example.

If anything, you have the relationship backwards. Guys like CMM originally weren't highly rated because not a lot of schools were on them.

Bold #2: Moto was a national recruit (UCLA, Vandy, Florida, Maryland, etc). His HS coach being an alumnus certainly helped our cause, but still. We landed a national-level recruit with an uncharismatic coach coming off of an 8-24 season. If that doesn't prove the point that Wake will always be able to attract national talent, I don't know what would.
 
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