What makes CMM and Devin Thomas "legit ACC talents" that doesn't also stand for some of our current players that were equally highly touted out of HS?
If they don't perform up to you expectations based off youtube clips, will you blame [Redacted] or put it up to them not being very good next season?
Honest question.
If Dino's first class was AT&T, then [Redacted]'s first class was Travis'.
I'd say Dino's first real class was CJ and Ari, which is better than Green/Fields/Fischer, but certainly nothing to brag about.
So you think Wake will be in the top 6 next year? Noted.
We may get more wins next year by default b/c our overall talent level will be higher, but have you seen anything from Bz the last two years that indicates that he has the ability to develop that talent, form that talent into a team, or implement a system that will get the maximum results out of that talent?
I haven't, and that scares me more than anything else about Bz. I fully expect that will we underachieve and under perform as long as Bz is the coach here. The talent level may increase enough that we're an underachieving, under performing team with 18 wins instead of an underachieving, under performing team with 13 or 14 wins but we'll still be underachieiving, under performing, and frustrating...
... We'll know more next year and, I personally think many of the skeptics will be surprised.
I tend to air on the side of giving him a chance with a team that I feel actually has the talent, if coached properly, will be able to fight for a possible NIT/bubble spot. I don't think any coach in the world could have put together a respectable team the last two seasons. Too many holes. I've you talk about me like i'm some complete idiot who is going around touting Bzz as the next Coach K, when I feel i'm being decently rational in my analysis. I've said on other threads he's losing any support I have left for him after performances like the Clemson games, but that's okay for you to ignore. Sorry I like to go through this season with a more positive long term outlook than some of you.
I respectfully disagree, tau. I believe a lot of coaches could have done more in the last two years. I'd argue, most coaches, considering this will be the second straight year we will finish in the bottom third of all NCAA teams. ...
We're looking at two more years of the youth excuse. Four total.
Success in college basketball is largely dependent on two things: skill (talent) and experience. Relative to the rest of the ACC, I'd classify the Buzz era like this:
Last year:
Skill/Talent: Slightly Below Average
Experience: Far Below Average
Result: Far Below Average
This year:
Skill/Talent: Far Below Average
Experience: Below Average
Result: Far Below Average
Next year (proj):
Skill/Talent: Average
Experience: Far Below Average
Result: Slightly Below Average
Recruiting is inextricably intertwined with coaching success. I'd like to hear your argument about how it's not.
If recruiting was as separate from success as you seem to be arguing, then we wouldn't be seeing so many below average stretches for "good" coaches. If Brad Stevens is such a coaching god, then why can't he win his league this year? Why do schools like Texas and Michigan State have good stretches and bad stretches with the same coach?
Recruiting is inextricably intertwined with coaching success. I'd like to hear your argument about how it's not.
If recruiting was as separate from success as you seem to be arguing, then we wouldn't be seeing so many below average stretches for "good" coaches. If Brad Stevens is such a coaching god, then why can't he win his league this year? Why do schools like Texas and Michigan State have good stretches and bad stretches with the same coach?
No, it's directed towards thedeacfan, but I didn't want to quote his long post.
Your post suggests coaching is a constant instead of a variable.
Recruiting is inextricably intertwined with coaching success. I'd like to hear your argument about how it's not.
If recruiting was as separate from success as you seem to be arguing, then we wouldn't be seeing so many below average stretches for "good" coaches. If Brad Stevens is such a coaching god, then why can't he win his league this year? Why do schools like Texas and Michigan State have good stretches and bad stretches with the same coach?
10-4. Also, thedeacfan, how exactly do you rationalize that Dino's staying makes JTT be on the team this season? Or did JTT decide he was so crushed by Dino's dismissal that he decided to suddenly start driving under the influence of whatever he was on?
Of course. But, it doesn't go so far as to suggest that "program success" is wholly, or largely, derived from the "coaching" constant. I think thedeacfan miscalculates the influence that recruiting has. He makes the claim that there's a reason some coaches are consistently good, and that it supersedes recruiting, but there are some very good coaches out there (Tom Izzo and Rick Barnes in my original example) who succeed and fail based, basically, on their recruiting classes. And these are guys that recruit at programs that should consistently bring in top classes.
Recruiting is inextricably intertwined with coaching success. I'd like to hear your argument about how it's not.
If recruiting was as separate from success as you seem to be arguing, then we wouldn't be seeing so many below average stretches for "good" coaches. If Brad Stevens is such a coaching god, then why can't he win his league this year? Why do schools like Texas and Michigan State have good stretches and bad stretches with the same coach?
Not exactly what I was trying to say if that's how it came out.
I think in terms of talent on the teams next season Wake would fall after:
UNC
Duke
FSU
UVA
NCSU
MD
And then Wake falls in the next group with Miami, GT, and probably maybe VT.
And then i'd have Clemson and BC.
So I guess top 6 was being a little generous at first glance but there should be no reason, at least if Bz IS a competent coach, that WF should be in the fight for spots 6-8 or so in the ACC.
And as I type this I get more depressed about WF basketball :rulz:
I'm not sure UVA would be better than us. They lose Scott.