VT LOLOLOL / NCSU Up on Duke

[Deadbolt]

I think it was just incredibly inconsistent. They were much more lenient in the first half with the whistle before locking down the 2nd half early and often. CJW and Howell picked up #4 and #3 almost immediately. That changes things drastically. Howell gets called for a charge in the first half for dropping his shoulder on a drive but then Plumlee does the exact same thing and bricks a dunk and there's no call.

Duke's pressure D was basically predicated on hand checks and grabbing, maybe our guys need to sell it better but if you're called touch fouls on us for getting close to Curry/Rivers you gotta call that both ways. I thought they did early but then the foul situation was basically out of control and they let a lot of stuff go.

The stretch that really sticks out in my mind is when State was breaking they missed a layup, Painter got a rebound underneath and pump-faked, then went up and was mauled under the basket and fell down with no call, loose ball that a Duke guard gets to and then barely makes contact with Painter (who is on the ground from getting mauled) and Painter gets whistled for the trip. Duke shoots ft's.

We were absolutely the better team last night for long stretches but when CJW, CJL, and Howell combine for 60 total minutes you're not going to win much. CJW... a guard... fouled out in 12 total minutes. Unreal.

The thing that is truly amazing is that Duke shot 29 3's yet drew 24 fouls and shot 28 ft's. Amazing.

And with that, I'll stop bitching about it on another teams board.

This is pretty much spot on. The refs changed what they were calling at least twice in this game. The first half, the game was pretty even and State's athleticism kept Duke out of the paint. The State big guys took some bad fouls, but nothing egregious.

Then, second half starts, and the refs came out with the obvious intent of calling everything. That lasted for about 4-6 minutes, then it subsided a bit, although by then the damage is done. K runs his substitution patterns, keeping his guys out of foul trouble, while State's guys pick up an abundance of fouls because they only have a 7 man rotation. I'm not blaming K for coaching, but I am blaming the consistent inconsistency for ACC referees...these guys decided they wanted to dictate the flow of the game, and so they did. It's shameful.

 

[stevewhite14]

This is pretty much spot on. The refs changed what they were calling at least twice in this game. The first half, the game was pretty even and State's athleticism kept Duke out of the paint. The State big guys took some bad fouls, but nothing egregious.

Then, second half starts, and the refs came out with the obvious intent of calling everything. That lasted for about 4-6 minutes, then it subsided a bit, although by then the damage is done. K runs his substitution patterns, keeping his guys out of foul trouble, while State's guys pick up an abundance of fouls because they only have a 7 man rotation. I'm not blaming K for coaching, but I am blaming the consistent inconsistency for ACC referees...these guys decided they wanted to dictate the flow of the game, and so they did. It's shameful.

Agree with this entirely. I think the game was called fairly evenly, but it was inconsistent and the second half was called in a manner that clearly benefit Duke.

Duke needs the refs to blow the whistle. That's why they tend to get bounced in the NCAA tournament where ACC refs aren't calling the games.

 

[ProbationDeac]

Agree with this entirely. I think the game was called fairly evenly, but it was inconsistent and the second half was called in a manner that clearly benefit Duke.

Duke needs the refs to blow the whistle. That's why they tend to get bounced in the NCAA tournament where ACC refs aren't calling the games.

This.

I would also add they rely on the 3 point shot and when they have a game where it doesn't fall they lose.

 

[tigerswood]

Agree with this entirely. I think the game was called fairly evenly, but it was inconsistent and the second half was called in a manner that clearly benefit Duke.

Duke needs the refs to blow the whistle. That's why they tend to get bounced in the NCAA tournament where ACC refs aren't calling the games.

Well, except when they don't. See 2 years ago. Still, my hatred grows for them exponentially after every traveshamockery like last night.

 

[KidA23]

185 posts on this thread, and about 150 of them are bitching about the referees....and it is nothing out of the ordinary. Our team may not be #1, but our fans certainly are in the running for it when it comes to bitching about the referees.

Oh cool, so discussing, commenting on, or analyzing something magically becomes "bitching" whenever you don't like it? Neat. Can I play? Because this looks like just another thread where instead of actually talking about sports, Bobknightfan has taken to "bitching" about Wake fans.

 

[Wakeforest22890]

185 posts on this thread, and about 150 of them are bitching about the referees....and it is nothing out of the ordinary. Our team may not be #1, but our fans certainly are in the running for it when it comes to bitching about the referees.

Stop being a bitch

 

[ThinkingWithMyDeac]

185 posts on this thread, and about 150 of them are bitching about the referees....and it is nothing out of the ordinary. Our team may not be #1, but our fans certainly are in the running for it when it comes to bitching about the referees.

Hey look everyone a UNC fan that doesn't think refs are a problem, wow something new and different.

Edit: Forgot to say what is the our team- not your team traitor, and our fans- you do not get be lumped in with us, the only thing that is a bitch is you.

 

[slothrop]

bkf seems like a fun guy with whom you could enjoy a nice tall glass of skim milk

 

[seawolf2010]

Hey look everyone a UNC fan that doesn't think refs are a problem, wow something new and different.

Edit: Forgot to say what is the our team- not your team traitor, and our fans- you do not get be lumped in with us, the only thing that is a bitch is you.

Look at his ava..it explains all tbh

and well now this is the 4th(?) board including PP that I've visited so far and all of them have complained about how State got hosed. Makes me feel better knowing that I wasn't seeing things:bullshit:

What kills me about the game is the look on the faces of the players. They all knew they got hosed out of curb stomping the every loving shit outta those pimpy, snot faced, rat a** b*****s inbred yankee swine

 

[seawolf2010]

So, how long is this allowed to continue? Given that 10 other member institutions and their fans KNOW this is occurring, just how long will this be allowed? This is beyond a team playing with intensity to overcome three officials on the take. This is a systemic problem and screams of an ESPN 30/30 in about 10 years once some official comes clean.

This is a consistent pattern. We're not talking about some fluke of a game where things just "went crazy". When things are rotten to the core, there are HUGE problems for the long-term.

Someone on the State board found this interesting tibit....

Past 15 yrs ACC Champs (1997-2011)
14 yrs split b/w Duke/UNC
1 yr Maryland won it all

Previous to that (1982-1996)
State 2
UNC 4
Maryland 1
GT 3
Duke 3
WF 2

:werd:

 

[Adam42R]

I had been going to Wake Forest games for 20 years before you were even born, jackass.

Just read the thread. Post, after post, after goddamned post....all bitching about the referees. I believe all of you have some kind of persecution complex. The referees, whether you want to believe it or not, aren't all out to get Wake Forest. You're not that important.

Anyone that doesn't see that Duke gets calls, I don't think you watch many of their games ... phantom charges where players aren't even touched going down, players getting 4,5,6 dance steps in WIDE FUCKING OPEN court not five feet from a ref and no travel calls, opposing key players ref'ed in a vastly different way than key Duke players. That's not a persecution complex, I don't care at all about how UMd or VT or NCSU (actually, I tend to like NCSU so there's a bit of love there), this has NOTHING to do with me thinking Wake is getting jobbed. It's nearly the whole conference getting jobbed (maybe less UNC). This coming from a guy that is NOT ABD or ABC - I have no doubt however that Duke has been getting "these players are good so they didn't just do something wrong" calls for years now.

And that's not even a rag on Coach K and staff - who I think are doing nothing that Dean Smith and staff didn't do in the 80s. I don't blame him for pushing the limits of questioning ref calls - if he can get away with it, he'd be a fool not to do so. But this seems like a see-no-evil refereeing job and it's at its worst at Cameron, but it's been pretty godawful at VT or UMd in years past too.

 

[coredeac]

I had been going to Wake Forest games for 20 years before you were even born, jackass.

Just read the thread. Post, after post, after goddamned post....all bitching about the referees. I believe all of you have some kind of persecution complex. The referees, whether you want to believe it or not, aren't all out to get Wake Forest. You're not that important.

You apparently don't read things very closely. I haven't seen one post where someone even hinted at a WFU complex.

 

[TheReff]

You apparently don't read things very closely. I haven't seen one post where someone even hinted at a WFU complex.

Nor do the refs care which team wins any game.

 

[BabyDeac75]

Nor do the refs care which team wins any game.

Well, apparently they did in our 1975 ACCT game with UNC. I know you remember that one, and I know you agree with me! That was unbelievably indefensible.

ETA: For you youngsters, that was the infamous "scoreboard game."

 

[tintinisahottie]

1983 — Knight criticizes Big Ten officiating by standing at midcourt and cursing at Big Ten Commissioner Wayne Duke, who is in the press box. Two days later, Knight assails the referees for the "worst officiating I have seen in 12 years."


1985 — Tosses a chair across the court during a game against Purdue, prompting his ejection and a one-game suspension.

1986 — Receives technical foul for shouting at the officials during a game against Illinois, then kicks a megaphone and admonishes Indiana cheerleaders for disrupting a free-throw attempt by Steve Alford.

1987 — Bangs fist on the scorer's table after being assessed a technical foul during a game against LSU. NCAA fines university $10,000, and Knight receives a reprimand. Refuses to let his team finish an exhibition game against the Soviet Union after he was ejected for arguing with a referee. He's later reprimanded by the university.

1998 — Is fined $10,000 by the Big Ten for berating referee Ted Valentine, whose officiating Knight calls "the greatest travesty" he had seen in his coaching career. Knight receives three technical fouls and is ejected by Valentine during the second half of a loss to Illinois.

 

[TexasDeac10]

1987 — Bangs fist on the scorer's table after being assessed a technical foul during a game against LSU. NCAA fines university $10,000, and Knight receives a reprimand. Refuses to let his team finish an exhibition game against the Soviet Union after he was ejected for arguing with a referee. He's later reprimanded by the university.

Patriot.

 

[BillBrasky]

Duke fouls you on every possession. Its obvious. There's no way the officials can call it every time so they develop a psychological tolerance to it. That's Coach K's "secret".

 

[PhDeac]

Someone on the State board found this interesting tibit....

Past 15 yrs ACC Champs (1997-2011)
14 yrs split b/w Duke/UNC
1 yr Maryland won it all

Previous to that (1982-1996)
State 2
UNC 4
Maryland 1
GT 3
Duke 3
WF 2

:werd:

Wow. Makes it look like there was a concerted effort to change course after Wake won 2 in a row. Seems crazy until you remember 1997 was the year of CC's foot and Laron Profit (2 games where Wake lost on poorly called buzzer beaters), not to mention losing half a game to Duke because an official (Hartzell?) forgot how to substitute Willie Dersch into the game, giving Duke a win over UVA.

 

[PhDeac]

Magic of the internet. Click for a detailed explanation of what happened. Can't believe this was 15 years ago.

 

[stonevilleicetea]

Since 1963 there have been 4 programs w 4 straight 10-win yrs in ACC: UNC (a bunch), Duke (a bunch), Maryland (99-02), FSU (current).

Yet many of my FSU brethran want Leonard fired. lol