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Tough to say. I think the shooting definitely cost the opening weekend big money, but (as strange as it seems now with Nolan getting such acclaim) it's starting to seem like Avengers had a broader appeal. That could just be a knee jerk reaction to the numbers on my part, but the Avengers was much more kid friendly than The Dark Knight.
 
Deadbolt said:
Tough to say. I think the shooting definitely cost the opening weekend big money, but (as strange as it seems now with Nolan getting such acclaim) it's starting to seem like Avengers had a broader appeal. That could just be a knee jerk reaction to the numbers on my part, but the Avengers was much more kid friendly than The Dark Knight.
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Avengers was way more kid friendly, that's for sure.
 
you mean neck snapping isn't for little ones? why is it ok when vader chokes them?
 
Deacfreak07 said:
I have had an ongoing debate with a friend since Friday: would the film have been better Batman definitively dying?
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No. You don't kill superheroes. I was legitimately shell-shocked when i thought he died, to the point that it ruined the trilogy. Which made the reveal so much more satisfying. I think i started to realize when Alfred was crying at the gravesite that there's just no fucking way it'll end this morbidly, they had to bring him back somehow.
 
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All these complaints (people just show up, passage of time is not well represented, etc.) are always criticisms levied against Nolan films. He has such a different way of editing his films that it can be hard to pin down. His films are very naturalistic in this way. His scenes never start at the very beginning, most of the time they pick up right in the middle of a scene, creating a movie that, though very long, seems to fly by because we are always thrust right into the middle of stuff going on.
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This is spot on. I never feel like Nolans films, particularly his batman films are bloated or have too much going on until i go back and think about how much shit he just crammed into 2.5 hours. Yet at no point are they confusing or hard to follow.

Nolan just told the complete story of batman, from origin to hanging up the cowl and moving on from batman in ~8 hours. That's fucking incredible.
 
Moving on, the Superman trailer didn't turn my skepticism about the movie. I know there wasn't much substance in the trailer, but there was a bunch about origin, which I'm never thrilled by. Fortunately for this movie the bar couldn't be lower, it can only be an improvement over Routh's. I'm not confident Snyder is right for Supes, especially after he made a mediocre movie out of outstanding source material with "Watchmen". At least Zod is the foe, he's legit.
 
I liked the teaser trailer. I just hope that's either just a teaser about the tone of the film or that material is only in the first 15 minutes or so. I do share your concern about origin because it's well established through movies and 10 years of a TV show. I definitely don't want a goofy start like Superman Returns although TDKR handled the "hero returns from a long hiatus" angle much better.
 
I definitely get a Batman Begins type vibe from it. Which makes sense considering Nolan and Goyer came up with the story, and Goyer wrote the script. Has anyone seen the comic-con trailer? It showed more footage, and looked good.
 
The thing about this Superman is this is DC's Iron Man. They want to do a Justice League movie, and if this Superman is a big giant failure, then they can't do Justice League. This movie is pretty do or die as far as DC's cinematic universe is concerned.
 
Yeah. They're building a world in this movie, not just a character which is why I don't want to see too much origin. We didn't need to see Tony Stark as a boy. I think they could just drop us at the Daily Planet with farmboy Clark Kent working at the desk, Lois Lane off to get a scoop, Perry Clark yelling, Jimmy Olsen with his camera, and Clark hearing something off in the distance and we'd be fine. But I'll give them a chance with the origin.

The Green Lantern debacle didn't buy them much credibility as well.
 
The Comicon trailer was so much better than the teaser. Wish they would've used that one.
 
This conversation about Superman's origin being tough to skip speaks to my distaste for him as a character. He is too powerful, too perfect. He has no pivotal events that really thrust him into becoming a superhero, he is just "born" a superhero. I just find very little about his story, as I know it at least, that is compelling. Give me Bruce Banner, Logan, Bruce Wayne, Ben Grimm, Tony Stark, etc. any day.
 
does anyone not know his origin? he's from krypton, crashes in a farm field and is raised in the most boring part of the US, ends up being a super-boring character.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
This conversation about Superman's origin being tough to skip speaks to my distaste for him as a character. He is too powerful, too perfect. He has no pivotal events that really thrust him into becoming a superhero, he is just "born" a superhero. I just find very little about his story, as I know it at least, that is compelling. Give me Bruce Banner, Logan, Bruce Wayne, Ben Grimm, Tony Stark, etc. any day.
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I agree. Superman is boring. Like lots of DC besides Batman, he just seems too generic.

My personal favorite is Peter Parker.
 
Yeah what sympathy are you really suppose to have for him? Yeah his planet was destroyed which sucks and he is an orphan but if you get over that he was adopted by a loving family. He is literally perfect, is unstoppable, except to a super rare element. Compared to most people who can be killed for not chewing their food properly I think I will take my chances. He has all of the best attributes, strength, all forms of vision, hearing, can fly, invulnerable. He is an extremely good looking and could slay anyone he wants. So he can't power fuck them, thats about his only downfall.
 
Based on the trailer, I think they're trying to address that criticism.

You say that he was "born a superhero". The conceptualization in Smallville and what they seem to be doing here is that he was born with power and abilities and it's up to him what he does with it. It's a take on Spider-man's "With great power comes great responsibility".

And I think they're trying to get away from the "perfect" as well, although Clark Kent as a drifter with a beard just seems weird.

in animation, Superman: The Animated Series struggled with this. The criticism was that they had to make him weak so they could have decent action against the likes of Toyman, Parasite, and Metallo because Darkseid and Brainiac couldn't be in every episode.

I really like what Season 2 of Justice League Unlimited did with Superman both in terms of portraying him as the angry and frustrated boy scout and giving him two particular good and brutal fight sequences against Captain Marvel and Captain Atom. I don't think we've ever seen a great knock down drag out Superman fight on the big screen.



 
I don't think Superman will even be the hardest character to pull off. Wonder Woman could kill this whole effort if they do her.
 
Wonder Woman seems to be a more compelling character to me.

Superman's dilemma is this: too invincible is boring, not invincible seems lame and forced.
 
The Wonder Woman animated feature a few years ago was excellent.

Seems like there are enough movies that feature female action heroes that making a movie about the predominant female action hero shouldn't be too difficult.
 
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