'17 Specials & '18 Midterms Thread

[PhDeac]

you know why it's a waste of your time? because your ideas are fun thought exercises for college kids but your revolution is never going to come when you live in representative democracy.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

You're both being idiotic. It's hardly "Revolution" to enact the same shit thats already in place in the socialist republics of the UK, Canada, Australia, and Germany. But please, go on posting memes and saying nothing but "better things are hard to do". Hard hitting stuff.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

I really feel for you though, I know those HOA fees can really just steer your whole political perspective.

 

[ChrisL68]

The vast majority of Democrats support some sort of Universal Health Care. It doesn't matter because there are more R's in Congress right now. Making this some sort of policy litmus test for your leader when it literally has no chance of passing right now is ludicrous. Hillary Clinton was one of the major proponents of actually pushing this idea before anybody else. The idea that she wouldn't support a Universal Health Care option if it was politically feasible is absurd.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

If only we had an example of a major politician who had recently won on a groundswell of support for ideas that weren't currently feasible. If only.

 

[ChrisL68]

Is he actually being effective and getting any of those policies enacted? Isn't the end result that you want Universal Health Care?

 

[ImTheCaptain]

I really feel for you though, I know those HOA fees can really just steer your whole political perspective.

i don't pay HOA fees, just taxes.

 

[PhDeac]

If only we had an example of a major politician who had recently won on a groundswell of support for ideas that weren't currently feasible. If only.

But a Democrat can't get votes from white working class folks with pie in the sky promises because D.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

If only we had an example of a major politician who had recently won on a groundswell of support for ideas that weren't currently feasible. If only.

right, like Donald Trump and his congress that can't pass any revolutionary legislation.

next?

 

[ImTheCaptain]

You're both being idiotic. It's hardly "Revolution" to enact the same shit thats already in place in the socialist republics of the UK, Canada, Australia, and Germany. But please, go on posting memes and saying nothing but "better things are hard to do". Hard hitting stuff.

it's revolutionary for the US and that's all that matters.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

right, like Donald Trump and his congress that can't pass any revolutionary legislation.

next?

You're right, my newsfeed is just clogged up with the terrible shit that Trump can't and isn't doing. Much ado about nothing, I guess. I don't even remember why we were so scared of this guy becoming president

 

[tiltdeac]

If only we had an example of a major politician who had recently won on a groundswell of support for ideas that weren't currently feasible. If only.

I mean it's not just that they weren't feasible. They were outright lies. He literally told a huge group of gullible American voters he would do things that would help them, and has since proven that he is doing the exact opposite of those things.

 

[cville deac]

man, you are all over the board

Yeah, I'm not sure what to respond to. But the more I read and reflect on it, I think the economics arguments as to why white working class folks went for Trump are really a smokescreen. At a basic level, I think it was just plain white identity and grievance politics, and Trump was the Pub candidate who tapped into that perfectly.

That said, given some of the recent revelations from Kelly, Mattis and Bannon, I'm wondering what is the most likely to occur:
1. Trump finishes term, wins Pub 2020 nomination, is re-elected.
2. Trump finishes term, wins Pub 2020 nomination, loses in general.
3. Trump finishes term, loses 2020 primary.
4. Trump quits before 2020.
5. Trump is impeached before 2020.
6. Trump dies in office before 2020.
7. Trump is 25th amendmented before 2020.

I'll say 7 is most likely, and 3 is least likely.

 

[cville deac]

I mean it's not just that they weren't feasible. They were outright lies. He literally told a huge group of gullible American voters he would do things that would help them, and has since proven that he is doing the exact opposite of those things.

His tax cut proposal and his health care EO and the selling of same being the most recent examples. Almost 40% of the country is still buying into this ish. You can say it's just rubes being rubes. But when you have 1 cable news network that is hard selling this agenda 24/7, what do you think is going to happen.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

But a Democrat can't get votes from white working class folks with pie in the sky promises because D.

"So Who Voted for Trump?

Trump did perform a lot better than previous Republicans with low-income voters, who historically have supported Democratic candidates by large margins.  For example, Trump improved upon Mitt Romney’s margin with voters making under $30,000 a year by 16 points. But he still lost them—by 12 whole points."

https://talkpoverty.org/2016/11/16/stop-blaming-low-income-voters-donald-trumps-victory/

Obama did much better with white working class voters, in the midst of a terrible recession, than Hillary did in '16.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

You're right, my newsfeed is just clogged up with the terrible shit that Trump can't and isn't doing. Much ado about nothing, I guess. I don't even remember why we were so scared of this guy becoming president

in your world, Bernie Sanders gets elected to presidency with a Republican fortress on Capitol Hill, ready to exploit their radical president's mere existence to get more votes in 2018.

can't wait for the Euro-style health care and booming NSF grants!

 

[PhDeac]

#1 is most likely. #7 is least likely.

1, 2, [big gap] 4, 6, 3, 5, 7

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

The problem that you few individual posters have with a Democrat making "pie in the sky" promises is irrelevant. Hillary would have won if she had ran on such promises, because thats what people want.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

The problem that you few individual posters have with a Democrat making "pie in the sky" promises is irrelevant. Hillary would have won if she had ran on such promises, because thats what people want.

those grapes were sour, huh

 

[PhDeac]

The problem that you few individual posters have with a Democrat making "pie in the sky" promises is irrelevant. Hillary would have won if she had ran on such promises, because thats what people want.

People don't want Hillary.